Angus Journal Article.

[Scotty]

For those of you that get th AJ read pg 106, By The Numbers. Really informative to what has been dicussed on this board. For those of you who don't you can down load the article I believe at angusjournal.com. Horses butt avarter(Tape) will love this.


Scotty

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Scotty - I was starting to read that article when your post came on the Screen!! Boy - that is slamming it right in your face, isn't it?? The chart in the bottom corner says it pretty plainly. I will have to stand up for Texas and Kansas though, a little bit. They have been struggling through a bad drought for about 12 years. BUT - -as the article stated . . . .genetics is the primary reason for low quality grades in Kansas and Texas. . . .feed managers recommend significant changes in the genetics used by some Southern producers. . . . .and a greater infusion of Angus genetics into the Southern cattle population, heat-adapted genetics not-with-standing!! Seems as though I have heard someone state things like this before - - somewhere???

DOC HARRIS

 

[Beef11]

i've heard that the uniformity is somewhat lacking down that way. everybody has a herd and they breed whatever to whatever.

 

[Beef11]

Go to Montana I had a hard time finding cattle that werent angus. that state must be 90% angus I dont see them realizing hybrid vigor like they could up there. I saw an outfit in the blue mountains in oregon that had the prettiest 3 way cross set up and huge calves

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Go to Montana I had a hard time finding cattle that werent angus. that state must be 90% angus I dont see them realizing hybrid vigor like they could up there. I saw an outfit in the blue mountains in oregon that had the prettiest 3 way cross set up and huge calves

Beef11- What three breeds comprised the three-way cross?

DOC HARRIS

 

[Beef11]

they where baldy cows all of them and had charolais calves. It was mid July when we were there and the calves were real big. The bulls were out with them and they were framey and the cows weren't. Which suprised me that you could get that much calf off of such a small cow. cows probably averaged 1100 lbs and probably weaned 60-70% of their body weight.

 

[Scotty]

That article is the reason I am breeding Angus. Well partly. To make money is the first. But when others read it I hope information like it helps people realize they can't breed jsut anything. Later in the AJ it also states TX is second behind Montana in newly reg. Angus. Maybe there is a trend.



Scotty

 

[Scotty]

The thing that really bothers me is they only compair the three leading states were cattle is fed. Just for mine and my fellow Texans pride.


Scotty

 

[la4angus]

Go to Montana I had a hard time finding cattle that werent angus. that state must be 90% angus I dont see them realizing hybrid vigor like they could up there. I saw an outfit in the blue mountains in oregon that had the prettiest 3 way cross set up and huge calves

You don't get high percentages of choice calves when you go for hybrid vigor using exotic continental cattle, which most are draft animals.

 

[MikeC]

Go to Montana I had a hard time finding cattle that werent angus. that state must be 90% angus I dont see them realizing hybrid vigor like they could up there. I saw an outfit in the blue mountains in oregon that had the prettiest 3 way cross set up and huge calves

You don't get high percentages of choice calves when you go for hybrid vigor using exotic continental cattle, which most are draft animals.

Au Contraire La4angus. Want to see some data on some Charolais X Red Angus calves that went 91.6% Choice?

Can you get that percentage out of your Angus calves?

 

[Scotty]

The article stated that the feedyards wanted less Hereford and more moderation of the continental. To also infuse more Angus. Mike just like was said of the bulls that were over 1000lbs, any one can manipulate numbers. I will take you at your word because you seem to be truthfull but I know some private co. that slaughter there own beef put choice and prime on pakages and any ding dong can tell its not.


Scotty

 

[la4angus]

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Au Contraire La4angus. Want to see some data on some Charolais X Red Angus calves that went 91.6% Choice?

Can you get that percentage out of your Angus calves?

Send the data Mike. The Red Angus probaly helped the chars. Why did I know that I would hear from you. ;-)

 

[la4angus]

I will take you at your word because you seem to be truthfull

Mike doesn't seem to be truthful. He is truthful.

 

[Beef11]

I agree if you sell on the grid you better be in the game to play. If i was running a similar 3 way cross i would definetly find a continetal bull with some carcass merit. It would be a shame to take your high grading brit herd and make them just mediocre or poor.

 

[la4angus]

The article stated that the feedyards wanted less Hereford and more moderation of the continental. To also infuse more Angus. Mike just like was said of the bulls that were over 1000lbs, any one can manipulate numbers. I will take you at your word because you seem to be truthfull but I know some private co. that slaughter there own beef put choice and prime on pakages and any ding dong can tell its not.


Scotty

Hell, You can go look in the grocery store meat counter and see beef labeled choice that no way in hell could make that grade with an honest, sober grader doing the grading. Some wouldn't be a decent select.

 

[ga. prime]

You have to grade your own beef out here in the country where I live. Am I the only one that lives this far out in the woods? Nothing is labeled choice, select, etc. I only buy well marbeled steaks and have never gotten a bad one that way.

 

[Aero]

the article also says a major contributor is that southeast cattle are finished in the states that had lower QG. i think a big reason for this is that there arent any feedlots here, so retained ownership is not much of an option. if people know they are selling by the pound and not on the grid, growth will go up and QG will not need to be improved.

 

[MikeC]

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Au Contraire La4angus. Want to see some data on some Charolais X Red Angus calves that went 91.6% Choice?

Can you get that percentage out of your Angus calves?

Send the data Mike. The Red Angus probaly helped the chars. Why did I know that I would hear from you. ;-)

LaAngus
The data is from the the Canadian "Conception to Consumer" program that is a very well organized program run by a geneticist and peer reviewed. I was lucky enough to get a bull of mine into it 2 years ago.

Anyway, the data is in PDF format in my e-mail. I can print it but can't figure out how to send it anyway but e-mail. I can't send a link to here either.

If you would like to see it, PM me your e-mail address.

This ain't some shoddy fly-by-night program as Scotty suggests. They used a team of graders with grading instruments to calculate the correct grades.

Yes, I will concede the Red Angus helped the Chars but that is the point. The closest way to a perfect situation in having cattle that will "Grade and Yield" is by crossing a Continental and a British. ALL of the MARC data tells us that.

 

[Dap]

If someone could post a link to the article I would really like to read it. I can't seem to find it on the angus journal online. I probably shouldn't comment until I read it, but....

I don't always make the most money on steers that go choice. If it takes 30 extra days to get them fat the feed man and the guy running the feedlot make more than me. When the good "carcass" bulls give me sorry replacement heifers, and when weaning weights drop 20lbs at $1.35/lb I lose. I try to keep all my calves at least 50% angus, but I'm going to do what makes me the most $, not them.

 

[Frankie]

If someone could post a link to the article I would really like to read it. I can't seem to find it on the angus journal online. I probably shouldn't comment until I read it, but....

The article is in the Dec Journal and that's not online yet.