RD-Sam
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Check out the auction for the 122L heifer. http://www.liveauctions.tv/MySale.aspx How high will she go? HS, have you got a bid in on her? :secret:
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RD-Sam":c7oioqct said:
I have no bid on her. Which auction is it? I think the ultimate value may be based upon the dam's side.
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RD-Sam":h872wv9e said:
No, that wasn't me. Figuring the Online semen cost $1K that would leave $2.4K to justify. Having 1/4 of 3008 genes is worth about $1K. That leaves $1.4K. The Enhancer genes are worth alot because of low birth weights. I would say she is priced about right or a tad too high but I wish I had 100 of them. If she has the capacity of my Online heifers and the eye pigment she could be worth about $5K. The lengths of 3008 and Online progeny are about as long of animals as I have seen. If she also is dark red and long also, she could bring $6K or more.
HerefordSire":367vpipz said:
Aren't you forgeting other traits in her phenotype? Not every calf from Online is a show stopper so I don't agree that she's automatically worth 1k b/c of her relation to him. Same goes for 3008 and 2D. And I really doubt that folks that were bidding on her were focusing on dark red color and eye pigment as major factors. Personally, I couldn't see bidding on a decent profile picture of a heifer. I hope the serious bidders got more information (including a video) from Star lake.
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Aren't you forgeting other traits in her phenotype? Not every calf from Online is a show stopper so I don't agree that she's automatically worth 1k b/c of her relation to him. Same goes for 3008 and 2D. And I really doubt that folks that were bidding on her were focusing on dark red color and eye pigment as major factors. Personally, I couldn't see bidding on a decent profile picture of a heifer. I hope the serious bidders got more information (including a video) from Star lake.[/quote]
You would be better off asking the buyer that paid $3.4K for her. I was merely attempting to justify the price paid without even seeing a photo of her as if I were the buyer...not as if you or anyone else were the buyer.
You would be better off asking the buyer that paid $3.4K for her. I was merely attempting to justify the price paid without even seeing a photo of her as if I were the buyer...not as if you or anyone else were the buyer.
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Here is a picture of her. http://www.starlakeherefords.com/catalo ... d=8&page=2
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RD-Sam":15jp3j9h said:
TY RD-Sam! She sure does look feminine. Kind of pretty in the face. She is not dark red though so that would have disqualified me from buying her. She does look moderately long. With the Keynote, Online, and 3008 influence, she could really put some growth numbers on the board when combined with a fast growing bull since she has a very low EPD BW probability. Maybe throw Remitall Hollywood on her in a couple of years (REA = .65 and IMF = 60) in an attempt to double up on MM RSM Stockmaster 512.
http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 3&9=5B5E52
8.2 BW + 2.5 BW = 10.7 BW / 2 = 5.85 Projected BW
HerefordSire":26992gyq said:
The main difference between real world breeding and fantasy world breeding is selling the animal for the same amount as the value you thumbsucked and added.
Just as a side note... do hair quality play a role in your decision making or is it simply the shade of red? Have you observed any correlation between hair coat quality and different shades of red?
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The main difference between real world breeding and fantasy world breeding is selling the animal for the same amount as the value you thumbsucked and added.
Just as a side note... do hair quality play a role in your decision making or is it simply the shade of red? Have you observed any correlation between hair coat quality and different shades of red?
It is very simple to me.....each darker shade of red pigment is worth more and more money. Eye, scrotal, and teet pigment can also be purchased at a bargain. Many breeders do not think these traits are very important and will let you legally steal these by paying a fair price for the other parts of the animal. I have a hunch that a consistent warm weather shinier coat is triggered by rare genes associated to pigment darkness. These are the cows you want in the front pasture.
Just as a side note... do hair quality play a role in your decision making or is it simply the shade of red? Have you observed any correlation between hair coat quality and different shades of red?
It is very simple to me.....each darker shade of red pigment is worth more and more money. Eye, scrotal, and teet pigment can also be purchased at a bargain. Many breeders do not think these traits are very important and will let you legally steal these by paying a fair price for the other parts of the animal. I have a hunch that a consistent warm weather shinier coat is triggered by rare genes associated to pigment darkness. These are the cows you want in the front pasture.
A slick shiny coat in summer is a soft silky coat in winter. Regardless of the shade of red a coarse coat with good felting quality (if you rub a few hairs between your fingers you don't want it to form felt like used to make hats) is never a good haircoat and is a good indication of a harder doing animal, especially in warmer climates with high parasite pressure.
If you take note who has the softest silkiest coats in winter and observe who slicks off first in spring you'll see a definate correlation. You might be surprised about the shade of red, though.
I agree that pigment is certainly important and that it is something that would add breeding value for me (and also monetary value as pigmented bulls always sell first), the shade of red is a showring whim and may play a role in personal preference, but other than that it has no positive impact.
Just for interest sake, in my experience darker shades of red and mahogany generally has a poorer coat quality than the lighter shades of red. That doesn't mean you can't get good or bad in either, I have just found it to be the general case.
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HerefordSire":641owx4n said:
So just how danged red do they have to be? Got a picture of something with your ideal color?
How do the Herefords rate the CED, that bull has a -12.6, that would be scary in the angus breed, you would have to hire somebody to watch them 24/7 so they could pull calves. :lol2:
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So just how danged red do they have to be? Got a picture of something with your ideal color?
How do the Herefords rate the CED, that bull has a -12.6, that would be scary in the angus breed, you would have to hire somebody to watch them 24/7 so they could pull calves. :lol2:
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I generally use BW EPD numbers instead of CE numbers. The projected average is in the prior email...(+5.7). I am thinking Enchancer and 3008 genes will compensate for the Keynote and Hollywood genes in regards to projected birth weight. I believe Online to be neutral for a mature cow.
How do the Herefords rate the CED, that bull has a -12.6, that would be scary in the angus breed, you would have to hire somebody to watch them 24/7 so they could pull calves. :lol2:
This one qualifies:
I generally use BW EPD numbers instead of CE numbers. The projected average is in the prior email...(+5.7). I am thinking Enchancer and 3008 genes will compensate for the Keynote and Hollywood genes in regards to projected birth weight. I believe Online to be neutral for a mature cow.
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That's pretty red. So how would you achieve a dark red? I know in breeding dogs, breeding red to red would typically dilute the red even further, adding black back to the pedigree would darken up progeny down the line. Did somebody cheat and add a black baldy in there along the way?
RD-Sam":mpigjwxw said:
Traditionally Herefords in the UK came in various shades of red, the showring in the UK and definately in Australia tends to favour the dark reds. The old USA breeders selected for mellow and yellow in the previous century, at the time the purpose of herefords was to add value and quality to the typical longhorn and spanish range cattle in the arid West. That in itself gives you a clue about doing ability and shade of red.
Hereford white is pretty much white, there is no hidden black, otherwise they would be black
