Nurse cow or not. Thoughts

Jersey milk runs 4-6% butterfat... it may be 29% of your gallon, but the pure butterfat is 4-6%..... part of what is coming off your gallon is "solids non fat", which includes protein content, that is the basis of cheese making...

Water buffalo that produce true Mozzarella cheese are often in the 6-10% butterfat range.
 
God bless all that have brown swiss for family cows.... Been there, done that, no more for me. They just don't pencil out for the return for me, and the calves are heavily discounted here and we are in some "dairy" country.... the steers take too long to grow size/frame before filling out, the buyers do not want them, the big steers that reach finish size are often too big and do not hang well due to size....kill plants do not want them...... have talked to many buyers here about them over the years. Most farmers use sexed semen on them to mostly only get females so they do not take a beating on the bull calves or steers.
I do not have the temperament for their stubborn ways. They eat alot more than a jersey or guernsey and the butterfat is about the same.... 4-5% averages. Milk production is not much more than a jersey either. I have had a dozen or more, and some swiss/hol crosses... besides the jerseys, guernseys, jer/hol and jer/guernsey crosses. I have 2 farmers that have them, show them, and I give them credit ..... both of them dislike jerseys too..... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Where my cows live there are no Brahma cattle because of the cool climate. Not only that, Jersey Brahma crosses they are incredibly ugly and I would have to look at them every day. This is how a Jersey cow should look and this is what home milk cow buyers want :)

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Where my cows live there are no Brahma cattle because of the cool climate. Not only that, Jersey Brahma crosses they are incredibly ugly and I would have to look at them every day. This is how a Jersey cow should look and this is what home milk cow buyers want :)

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OK, I mis-read. Thought you were asking what kinda bull to breed those heifers to, that would make them bring the most money as bred heifers. You wouldn't see the calves! @Caustic Burno , you ought to post that pic of your "ugly" BR x Jer cows! But if you now intend to raise those heifers' calves to sell to home milk cow buyers, then why would you breed them to any thing other than a Jersey?!!
 
I have never intended to breed my cows to anything but Jersey (my old cow also recently discovered to have a biscuit in the oven, sex select AI for a heifer) :) If people made a down payment on a heifer I might ask them what breed they want her AIed to. Some might want a half beef sex selected for a bull calf to steer for meat. Some might want a Jersey heifer calf to raise.

My old Jersey was always bred with Angus bulls because that is what was on the ranch. She's had 8 calves. And with every calf they became screeby er and screeby er showing more and more dairy character. Fortunately, the order buyers must have needed one more black calf to make a load.

The dairies have lately been doing a big business with beef on dairy for bull calves. They only AI their best cows for replacement heifers. Its gotten so heifer calves for sale have gotten kind of scarce.
 
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I'm sure you like/love your cows. I'm a Texan from piney woods. East Texas has a lot of heat and humidity similar to the tropics where Brahma evolved and do well. Brahma milk also has a high butterfat content. The hanging ear and loose skin helps distribute body heat. They probably need less feed than lactating Jerseys and work well for you.. But from a beauty standpoint to my eye they are lacking. People of the Pacific north west coast do not raise cattle with ear. Jersey cattle came form a similar climate to here, the Isle of Jersey. Yes if I bred my Jerseys Brahma semen (if any was available) I would have to look at these everyday to raise the heifers. I would rather not and the heifer price would be discriminated against by local buyers.
 
I'm sure you like/love your cows. I'm a Texan from piney woods. East Texas has a lot of heat and humidity similar to the tropics where Brahma evolved and do well. Brahma milk also has a high butterfat content. The hanging ear and loose skin helps distribute body heat. They probably need less feed than lactating Jerseys and work well for you.. But from a beauty standpoint to my eye they are lacking. People of the Pacific north west coast do not raise cattle with ear. Jersey cattle came form a similar climate to here, the Isle of Jersey. Yes if I bred my Jerseys Brahma semen (if any was available) I would have to look at these everyday to raise the heifers. I would rather not and the heifer price would be discriminated against by local buyers.
Everything you say is true and where you are I wouldn't breed them Brahman either.

But if I was back in Arkansas I'd like to have every cow on the place look just like the B/J crosses in the pics.

As far as beauty? We all know that's subjective and I expect you are used to Jerseys and find them attractive... but from a southern beef perspective the Brahman cross is exotic and gorgeous.
 

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I'm sure you like/love your cows. I'm a Texan from piney woods. East Texas has a lot of heat and humidity similar to the tropics where Brahma evolved and do well. Brahma milk also has a high butterfat content. The hanging ear and loose skin helps distribute body heat. They probably need less feed than lactating Jerseys and work well for you.. But from a beauty standpoint to my eye they are lacking. People of the Pacific north west coast do not raise cattle with ear. Jersey cattle came form a similar climate to here, the Isle of Jersey. Yes if I bred my Jerseys Brahma semen (if any was available) I would have to look at these everyday to raise the heifers. I would rather not and the heifer price would be discriminated against by local buyers.
Actually, you posted a pic of 3 Jersey heifers and asked " What do you think these three will bring as bred heifers for family milk cows?" Which would lead one to believe you would be selling them as BRED, not as a pair. So how would you see their calves?!!
 
Because I would raise them to breeding age and would see them every day. I meant what do you think they would bring as bred heifers to Jersey sires? :) The AI guy told me don't sell them as yearlings, bred heifers bring twice as much. I do have pasture, might as well use it and grow them out.
 
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Yes sir! And you breed these to Angus right? if you posted these for sale tonight, they'd be sold before supper tomorrow. If we do fill that new 400 acre pasture with Brahmas, as I want to, then I will AI_20-25 of them the first year with sexed for female Jersey semen.
 
Because I would raise them to breeding age and would see them every day. I meant what do you think they would bring as bred heifers to Jersey sires? :) The AI guy told me don't sell them as yearlings, bred heifers bring twice as much. I do have pasture, might as well use it and grow them out.
Whew! OK, I am lost. If you sold those 3 heifers you had in that pic as bred heifers, that means the buyer gets them while that calf is still in the womb. So, regardless of what they are bred to...Jersey, Brahma, Watusi...whatever.....how would you ever even see those calves , much less have to raise them?!! .
 
Whew! OK, I am lost. If you sold those 3 heifers you had in that pic as bred heifers, that means the buyer gets them while that calf is still in the womb. So, regardless of what they are bred to...Jersey, Brahma, Watusi...whatever.....how would you ever even see those calves , much less have to raise them?!! .
Warren... I think she's saying she doesn't want to look at the crossbred heifers that she would be selling as bred heifers. NOT the calves they would produce.
 
God bless all that have brown swiss for family cows.... Been there, done that, no more for me. They just don't pencil out for the return for me, and the calves are heavily discounted here and we are in some "dairy" country.... the steers take too long to grow size/frame before filling out, the buyers do not want them, the big steers that reach finish size are often too big and do not hang well due to size....kill plants do not want them...... have talked to many buyers here about them over the years. Most farmers use sexed semen on them to mostly only get females so they do not take a beating on the bull calves or steers.
I do not have the temperament for their stubborn ways. They eat alot more than a jersey or guernsey and the butterfat is about the same.... 4-5% averages. Milk production is not much more than a jersey either. I have had a dozen or more, and some swiss/hol crosses... besides the jerseys, guernseys, jer/hol and jer/guernsey crosses. I have 2 farmers that have them, show them, and I give them credit ..... both of them dislike jerseys too..... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
I don't know anyone personally who has one as a home dairy cow in production. I do have someone I've been helping along their journey to having their own home dairy cow who has a brown Swiss heifer. Their family is big time dairy and they were gifted the calf. Now I know why. 😂 I've been wondering how she would do. She's just now reaching breeding age so we have a while. I told them if I liked what I saw when she was producing I'd breed her for them and buy the calf minus my breeding costs. Learning this I am thinking that won't happen. 😂 They aren't bad in the diary herd but then I'm not working with them like I am my own home cows. I do see their production numbers and they certainly do fall under not as cost effective. They added some for the components aspect but I believe they are slowly being culled from the herd.
 
Warren... I think she's saying she doesn't want to look at the crossbred heifers that she would be selling as bred heifers. NOT the calves they would produce.
But as @Warren Allison pointed out... if she sells them as bred heifers, it won't matter what they are bred to since she will not be looking at the calves to raise up.... The only possible heifer calves she would have on the farm of her OWN to raise would be what she breeds her old cow to and the current young cow she is milking.... and they are already slated to be bred to sexed jersey semen...
Since being there in the Pacific northwest... there are not any jersey/brahma heifers available to raise up... (which raising some heifers for home "dairying", is the "goal")... so, it is not a problem. Warren was referring to the fact that in HIS AREA, and places like where @Caustic Burno is.... a cross like that would be a definite plus.... It is a little confusing since it says @TexasJerseyMilker , but they are no longer in Texas...

And there is no way to put a price on those heifers at this time... with a good 18 months until they are old enough to be bred and marketed as bred heifers.
At this time, in this area, they would bring $2,000 to 3500 a head... for a replacement heifer for a dairy... When times get tough, they might bring $500 to 1500.... all depends on what things are looking like and what the inflation situation looks like. Beef feeder steers could drop back to $1.00/lb a too, if the economy gets bad.....
 
Yes sir! And you breed these to Angus right? if you posted these for sale tonight, they'd be sold before supper tomorrow. If we do fill that new 400 acre pasture with Brahmas, as I want to, then I will AI_20-25 of them the first year with sexed for female Jersey semen.
They have production sales of these F-1’s from time to time.
Some of the dairies will use sexed semen .
Had a sale in Buffalo a few years back of about 100.
They were fighting over them.
 
They have production sales of these F-1's from time to time.
Some of the dairies will use sexed semen .
Had a sale in Buffalo a few years back of about 100.
They were fighting over them.
Yep. Someone just bought the first 3 I got out of those dairy nurse cows. They were just 7 mos old, but were growing like hell over there at Mike's conditioning lots on his custom growth formula. Dude saw them and asked about buying. I told him I was raising them to breed and sell as bred heifers,, just about a year from now. I said they will probably go for about $2500. He offered $1750 right the, so I sold them! One was Jer x Bra, another was either Br x red Holstein or Br x Guernsey ( the owner of the dairy can't decide which one that cow is) and one was Gyr x Guernsey/Hereford. Last two I will wean in September are BR x Jers/Brown Swiss and Br x Jersey/Guernsey. The first two sold were by a red Br bull, and these last 2 are by a grey.
 

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