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[Bright Raven]

And that is one of the fundamental failings of today. "It is good for me, and to he!! with you."

Wow. You and TT must have got drunk together last night. :mrgreen:

Neither Grit nor I said that!

You kinda did say that Birdman.

Ok, you booger eating moron. :banana:

See what you have done. I have fallen into the lower classes.

 

[Bright Raven]

BR - I wanted to read through all this before I answered your question about my statement of compromise.

I am not a big government guy. Sadly, I think it is inevitable that the government will dwarf the leviathan we see today. How big it gets, and what "countries" are under its rule is a question. The rule based society, "nation of laws", "political correctness", "social justice", "socialism, aka (working for the state)" will grow and grow, all in the quest to bring forced "harmony and fairness".

In this new world, there will be rulers, quasi elected leaders. There will always be a wealthy controlling class, a very small percentage of the population, some will always be set apart from the masses.

This eventually will collapse. When? Who knows? How far will it get? Who knows? Maybe we have reached the breaking point. Or, maybe we are just getting started.

The collapse is the compromise. Extremes never exist forever. Extremes run their course. Their tempering is the compromise.

Will the compromise be violent or will it come about peaceably? Who knows?

Or not.

That is not a routine application of the term compromise. To paraphras your scenario:

The US government will expand, perhaps annexing other governments, and at some point the "New order government" will collapse.

Sounds more like anarchy.

That is the only "compromise" I see coming. I just don't see harmony when one group wants support from another group by force of law and political correctness (suppression of free speech).

I don't agree with your prediction but I do agree that traditional compromise is impossible.

 

[HDRider]

So what happens then? We just keep slapping each other around?

 

[Bright Raven]

So what happens then? We just keep slapping each other around?

The US has a firm foundation. Good enforcement and rule of law. The slapping has to stay in bounds.

I know you guys hate the word but TOLERANCE would be good medicine for both sides.

 

[HDRider]

So what happens then? We just keep slapping each other around?

The US has a firm foundation. Good enforcement and rule of law. The slapping has to stay in bounds.

I know you guys hate the word but TOLERANCE would be good medicine for both sides.

See, that is the problem, it is always the other guy that is the problem.

I admit my tolerance is tested when I am forced to support bad decision with my hard earned money.

I also admit I am not so tolerant of being told what to think.

Other than that, I am a very tolerant fellow.

 

[M-5]

So what happens then? We just keep slapping each other around?

The US has a firm foundation. Good enforcement and rule of law. The slapping has to stay in bounds.

I know you guys hate the word but TOLERANCE would be good medicine for both sides.

See, that is the problem, it is always the other guy that is the problem.

I admit my tolerance is tested when I am forced to support bad decision with my hard earned money.

I also admit I am not so tolerant of being told what to think.

Other than that, I am a very tolerant fellow.

that's why we are in the shape we are in because of tolerance..

 

[Rafter S]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

 

[Bright Raven]

So what happens then? We just keep slapping each other around?

The US has a firm foundation. Good enforcement and rule of law. The slapping has to stay in bounds.

I know you guys hate the word but TOLERANCE would be good medicine for both sides.

See, that is the problem, it is always the other guy that is the problem.

I admit my tolerance is tested when I am forced to support bad decision with my hard earned money.

I also admit I am not so tolerant of being told what to think.

Other than that, I am a very tolerant fellow.

Well, that IS A PROBLEM. The other side feels the exact same way.

 

[Bright Raven]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

Exactly

 

[Rafter S]

The US has a firm foundation. Good enforcement and rule of law. The slapping has to stay in bounds.

I know you guys hate the word but TOLERANCE would be good medicine for both sides.

See, that is the problem, it is always the other guy that is the problem.

I admit my tolerance is tested when I am forced to support bad decision with my hard earned money.

I also admit I am not so tolerant of being told what to think.

Other than that, I am a very tolerant fellow.

Well, that IS A PROBLEM. The other side feels the exact same way.

Not exactly the same way. One side wants their decisions supported with someone else's money.

 

[Bright Raven]

Not exactly the same way. One side wants their decisions supported with someone else's money.

That is a general statement. What I see dividing America is less about money and more about lifestyle and values

Personally, I have no practicing or emotional investment in homosexuality but I do think a person should be permitted to live the lifestyle they choose unmolested. On the other hand, they should not be permitted to force that lifestyle on others.

My point is, one side or the other is trying to force their values and lifestyle on the other. When is the Republic going to practice freedom and liberty instead of JUST preaching it?

 

[Nesikep]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

Very well said, and this is exactly what we're seeing today, you get squat for your money in the bank, but inflation is huge.. it's just convenient that real estate isn't included in the inflation index and that's where it's the worst. I know from my cousin who's house value doubled in 5 years

 

[Bright Raven]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

Very well said, and this is exactly what we're seeing today, you get squat for your money in the bank, but inflation is huge.. it's just convenient that real estate isn't included in the inflation index and that's where it's the worst. I know from my cousin who's house value doubled in 5 years

Inflation is understated in the US for obvious reasons. Inflation has a direct relationship to interest rates. Inflation going up traditionally pushed interest rates up. That does not favor the fiscal health of the US government so they have fabricated a means to control reported inflation. If interest rates go up, the US could not service its current debt burden.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

Corporations aren't some stand alone entity. While there are a few very well paid executives, their profits are shared by their stockholders. Any of you that have a mutual fund as part of an investment or retirement portfolio are among those stockholders. As CB said, any additional taxes are passed on as either higher cost of their product or lower profits paid to their shareholders. So raising taxes on corporations means raising taxes on individuals.

And please don't say that it would be making the rich pay their share. While many people like to claim they don't, it's just not true. I can't quote the numbers, but you'd be surprised how small a percentage of people pay a large percentage of the income taxes that are collected every year, in spite of any "loopholes". If you want to talk about people not playing their share, let's talk about the people that don't pay any (and it's a pretty good chunk of the population).

Finally someone that gets it!

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

 

[Workinonit Farm]

Personally, I have no practicing or emotional investment in homosexuality but I do think a person should be permitted to live the lifestyle they choose unmolested. On the other hand, they should not be permitted to force that lifestyle on others.

My point is, one side or the other is trying to force their values and lifestyle on the other. When is the Republic going to practice freedom and liberty instead of JUST preaching it?

I agree.

 

[bball]

Not exactly the same way. One side wants their decisions supported with someone else's money.

That is a general statement. What I see dividing America is less about money and more about lifestyle and values

Personally, I have no practicing or emotional investment in homosexuality but I do think a person should be permitted to live the lifestyle they choose unmolested. On the other hand, they should not be permitted to force that lifestyle on others.

My point is, one side or the other is trying to force their values and lifestyle on the other. When is the Republic going to practice freedom and liberty instead of JUST preaching it?

It's all right there. I do enjoy these discussions, but the inevitable is happening...its just a matter of putting the cycle on the correct time line to figure the speed at which it is occurring.

* please ignore the liberty sidenotes if they offend you..the explanations are just as effective without the religious connotations.

 

[Anonymous]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

Very well said, and this is exactly what we're seeing today, you get squat for your money in the bank, but inflation is huge.. it's just convenient that real estate isn't included in the inflation index and that's where it's the worst. I know from my cousin who's house value doubled in 5 years

What is "interest"? Interest is the cost of money right? Then why in a "free" society is there an agency such as the Federal Reserve that dictates to basically the whole world what the cost of your money should be? On top of that, they dont even answer to anyone. They are just angels sent from Heaven that are doing whats best for everyone. HA!!! Current interest rates paid by bank will not keep up with REAL inflation much less make a profit. In my opinion that's why the stock market has soared. There is no where else to park money and see any gain in purchasing power. Seems a recipe for disaster to me. Uneducated investors pouring money in to try to get some type of yield. I sure don't know enough to play the game.

 

[Rafter S]

No interest rate is enough if it doesn't keep up with inflation. If interest rates were 50%, and inflation was 55%, then your original investment, and the earnings from it, will buy less when you take it out than when you put it in.

Very well said, and this is exactly what we're seeing today, you get squat for your money in the bank, but inflation is huge.. it's just convenient that real estate isn't included in the inflation index and that's where it's the worst. I know from my cousin who's house value doubled in 5 years

What is "interest"? Interest is the cost of money right? Then why in a "free" society is there an agency such as the Federal Reserve that dictates to basically the whole world what the cost of your money should be? On top of that, they dont even answer to anyone. They are just angels sent from Heaven that are doing whats best for everyone. HA!!! Current interest rates paid by bank will not keep up with REAL inflation much less make a profit. In my opinion that's why the stock market has soared. There is no where else to park money and see any gain in purchasing power. Seems a recipe for disaster to me. Uneducated investors pouring money in to try to get some type of yield. I sure don't know enough to play the game.

That's why many people recommend you invest in mutual funds instead of single stocks. They're managed by people that do know enough to play the game.

 

[HDRider]

Not exactly the same way. One side wants their decisions supported with someone else's money.

That is a general statement. What I see dividing America is less about money and more about lifestyle and values

Personally, I have no practicing or emotional investment in homosexuality but I do think a person should be permitted to live the lifestyle they choose unmolested. On the other hand, they should not be permitted to force that lifestyle on others.

My point is, one side or the other is trying to force their values and lifestyle on the other. When is the Republic going to practice freedom and liberty instead of JUST preaching it?

It's all right there. I do enjoy these discussions, but the inevitable is happening...its just a matter of putting the cycle on the correct time line to figure the speed at which it is occurring.

* please ignore the liberty sidenotes if they offend you..the explanations are just as effective without the religious connotations.

Other than the question of when, the question is what battle will precede the next step (bondage). Will we go down without a fight?

 

[Bright Raven]

Not exactly the same way. One side wants their decisions supported with someone else's money.

That is a general statement. What I see dividing America is less about money and more about lifestyle and values

Personally, I have no practicing or emotional investment in homosexuality but I do think a person should be permitted to live the lifestyle they choose unmolested. On the other hand, they should not be permitted to force that lifestyle on others.

My point is, one side or the other is trying to force their values and lifestyle on the other. When is the Republic going to practice freedom and liberty instead of JUST preaching it?

It's all right there. I do enjoy these discussions, but the inevitable is happening...its just a matter of putting the cycle on the correct time line to figure the speed at which it is occurring.

* please ignore the liberty sidenotes if they offend you..the explanations are just as effective without the religious connotations.

I could not see your figure but I found it on the net. Very interesting cycle. Where do you think the world is?