yesterday's sale

[Dave]

I went late as they had 2,500 feeders advertised. But I sat through several hours of calves waiting for the few bred cows. A couple of interesting points along the way. There was about 10-12 of the mini Angus weighing around 400. Split about half steers and half heifers. They sold by the head for $200. Also it looked like someone sold out their attempt to raise bucking bulls. Several young cross bred bulls with tipped horns. Followed by 10-12 snotty little crossbred cows. I don't remember what the bulls sold for but the cows all brought right around $1.00 lb. There was a lot of obvious Correntie Angus cross that weighed 300-400 lbs. They just sold them by the head for $1,000. Good beef calves were $4.00 o $5.00 a pound depending on size and sex.
After watching all of that I only got one cow bought. But I did come in second on the bidding for half a dozen other ones. But one of the neighbors was there and he offered to haul my one cow. So I don't have to go to La Grande to pick her up. Just a few miles this morning to his corral.

 

[Little Joe]

I went late as they had 2,500 feeders advertised. But I sat through several hours of calves waiting for the few bred cows. A couple of interesting points along the way. There was about 10-12 of the mini Angus weighing around 400. Split about half steers and half heifers. They sold by the head for $200. Also it looked like someone sold out their attempt to raise bucking bulls. Several young cross bred bulls with tipped horns. Followed by 10-12 snotty little crossbred cows. I don't remember what the bulls sold for but the cows all brought right around $1.00 lb. There was a lot of obvious Correntie Angus cross that weighed 300-400 lbs. They just sold them by the head for $1,000. Good beef calves were $4.00 o $5.00 a pound depending on size and sex.
After watching all of that I only got one cow bought. But I did come in second on the bidding for half a dozen other ones. But one of the neighbors was there and he offered to haul my one cow. So I don't have to go to La Grande to pick her up. Just a few miles this morning to his corral.

I'd love to get in on a deal like those mini angus for that price for freezer beef, money makers for my deal for sure.

 

[Dave]

I'd love to get in on a deal like those mini angus for that price for freezer beef, money makers for my deal for sure.

One of those niche market things which some people can make money on but there is no market for at the sale. And you would sit through a lot of sales for several years before you see any again.

 

[Travlr]

There was about 10-12 of the mini Angus weighing around 400. Split about half steers and half heifers. They sold by the head for $200.

That would be some cheap hamburger. Might have to buy three to make what one average cow would make. And then there would be three kill fees. Still... pretty cheap for filling a freezer.

 

[Little Joe]

That would be some cheap hamburger. Might have to buy three to make what one average cow would make. And then there would be three kill fees. Still... pretty cheap for filling a freezer.

A friend of mine had some of that type, his hanging weights were in the mid 500 range on a finished animal.

 

[Travlr]

A friend of mine had some of that type, his hanging weights were in the mid 500 range on a finished animal.

That would be a miracle on a 400 pound live weight animal. But I'd definitely be interested in an animal like that.

I might even want to farm them...

My wife says it's "dairy magic". That's like fairy magic except with cows.

 

[Little Joe]

That would be a miracle on a 400 pound live weight animal. But I'd definitely be interested in an animal like that.

I might even want to farm them...

My wife says it's "dairy magic". That's like fairy magic except with cows.

I said FINISHED. They get bigger than 400 pounds FINISHED, his cows weighed in the 800-900 range mature and the bull around 1200. That would put his finished animals in that 900 lb range. These were more than likely still pretty young to only weigh 400lbs.

 

[Little Joe]

That would be a miracle on a 400 pound live weight animal. But I'd definitely be interested in an animal like that.

I might even want to farm them...

My wife says it's "dairy magic". That's like fairy magic except with cows.

Maybe finished in your book means you're finished feeding them, my definition is the animal is mature and shows fat on ribs, tailhead, flanks, groin, and brisket

 

[Travlr]

Maybe finished in your book means you're finished feeding them, my definition is the animal is mature and shows fat on ribs, tailhead, flanks, groin, and brisket

It just hit me funny... maybe they would finish larger, or maybe they were "mini Angus" dwarf cattle that were fully mature. It doesn't matter, it was just funny.

 

[Rmc]

Always makes me laugh at how much importance certain people tend to give how high a cow stands off the ground .
It’s like a 1000lb “mini cow” vs a 1000lb range cow for burger are two totally different things. If anything the mini cow would yield higher volume and quality of beef then a similar weight range cow

 

[Travlr]

Always makes me laugh at how much importance certain people tend to give how high a cow stands off the ground .
It’s like a 1000lb “mini cow” vs a 1000lb range cow for burger are two totally different things. If anything the mini cow would yield higher volume and quality of beef then a similar weight range cow

And it always makes me wonder how people think a miniature poodle is the same thing as a standard, full sized poodle... except with shorter legs.

There are miniature cows that mature at 400#, and some that might go 900. Most of the mini Angus I've seen would be less than 800 pounds finished and mud fat.

I've had short cows and tall cows... and none of them were mini cows. I've seen some full size breeds weigh as an average what some minis of some other breeds would weigh (Corriente). But I've never seen a mini cow that finished at the weights a non-mini cow of the same breed does... regardless of the length of their legs.

As for quality? I'd eat any of them and would expect a mini to be more easy keeping, so more prone to lay on fat. But that doesn't mean they would grow faster or mature at the same weights.

 

[Rmc]

Kinda funny coming from the people who continuously rants about the black hide bias . And says it doesn’t change how the meat tastes .
Rants and raves and complains and says smaller framed animals aren’t worth anything.
If I was going to the sale to buy a cow with the intention of getting butchered for around 500lbs of burger . If two cows came into the ring fitting that description. One was a frame score 4 and one was a frame score 7 .
I know wich one I would want . And wich one would produce better quality burger .
I don’t think most would not prefer the taste of the half starved range cow over the smaller framed cow that had been grained every day .

 

[mwj]

Are you confusing frame scoring and condition scoring? How in the world did you get ''half starved range cow'' from a frame score of 7? How does a frame score 4 suddenly get grain every day. I think you need to reread what you posted.

 

[Travlr]

Kinda funny coming from the people who continuously rants about the black hide bias . And says it doesn’t change how the meat tastes .
Rants and raves and complains and says smaller framed animals aren’t worth anything.
If I was going to the sale to buy a cow with the intention of getting butchered for around 500lbs of burger . If two cows came into the ring fitting that description. One was a frame score 4 and one was a frame score 7 .
I know wich one I would want . And wich one would produce better quality burger .
I don’t think most would not prefer the taste of the half starved range cow over the smaller framed cow that had been grained every day .

You might want to go back and reread what was posted. I'm pretty sure you've skimmed and missed some stuff... and made some assumptions.

 

[Rmc]

I think you both either need to read what I wrote or do a little more critical thinking.
If a frame score 7 and a frame score 4 cattle are butchered and both produce the same amount of burger .
It’s not hard to figure out that the larger framed cow was far leaner than the smaller framed animal . And that the yield percentage of take home burger /to live weight will be higher in the lower framed score cow.
Not hard to figure out. If larger framed cow produces the same amount of burger the larger framed cow will be of lower body condition score . Higher bone to meat ratio then a smaller framed cow that yielded the same amount regardless of what frame scores are used . If a significant difference between frame scores yield a very similar amount then the smaller framed scored chow will be in better condition and have the more desirable meat to bone ratio .

 

[Travlr]

I think you both either need to read what I wrote or do a little more critical thinking.
If a frame score 7 and a frame score 4 cattle are butchered and both produce the same amount of burger .
It’s not hard to figure out that the larger framed cow was far leaner than the smaller framed animal . And that the yield percentage of take home burger /to live weight will be higher in the lower framed score cow.
Not hard to figure out. If larger framed cow produces the same amount of burger the larger framed cow will be of lower body condition score . Higher bone to meat ratio then a smaller framed cow that yielded the same amount regardless of what frame scores are used . If a significant difference between frame scores yield a very similar amount then the smaller framed scored chow will be in better condition and have the more desirable meat to bone ratio .

(Facepalm)

Dude... it's not what you said... it's what YOU MISREAD... and then misunderstood.

 

[wbvs58]

I think you both either need to read what I wrote or do a little more critical thinking.
If a frame score 7 and a frame score 4 cattle are butchered and both produce the same amount of burger .
It’s not hard to figure out that the larger framed cow was far leaner than the smaller framed animal . And that the yield percentage of take home burger /to live weight will be higher in the lower framed score cow.
Not hard to figure out. If larger framed cow produces the same amount of burger the larger framed cow will be of lower body condition score . Higher bone to meat ratio then a smaller framed cow that yielded the same amount regardless of what frame scores are used . If a significant difference between frame scores yield a very similar amount then the smaller framed scored chow will be in better condition and have the more desirable meat to bone ratio .

I don't think you made it too clear.

Ken

 

[mwj]

Frame score has no definition of live weight or body condition or how they are fed. If you do not understand terms you are wasting your time trying to use them. I can see why you are having trouble trying to figure out a cattle program.

 

[Ebenezer]

What about the excess fat in the small framed animal. Who needs a foot tub full of trim?

 

[Rmc]

Frame score has no definition of live weight or body condition or how they are fed. If you do not understand terms you are wasting your time trying to use them. I can see why you are having trouble trying to figure out a cattle program.

You actually need to read what I said with an objectively.
It’s quite simple to understand .
If you have two cows with significant differences in frame score /height .
That both produce the same amount of burger .
Only way that is possible is if the lower frame score /shorter cow has better. Body condition score . If you can’t understand that then not much I can do to help you if you can’t understand the basics .