Would more training help cops?

[Alan]

Cops have and are caught up in bad/questionable shootings and beatings. Also in my experience too many just flat out make bad decisions. Such as a time me son was sitting at a red light and his truck was hit by another car, cop gave him a wreck less driving ticket and he was stopped at a traffic signal.

I thinking maybe required training to be a cop, not a six month classroom have a doughnut type of training. More military including boot camp and daily conditioning, a two year camp. Would have to make pay worth the effort, but it would stop putting a badge and a gun in the hands of a kid who was flipping burgers the other day. I'm just wondering if it would help with their interactions with the public...... Or not.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

 

[Alan]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

Both LOE and the public have faults, but I'm focusing cops. Some need to make better decisions and not be so trigger happy.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Training and experience is never a bad thing. The main problem is making the right decision in a split second. It seems like most of the folks getting shot and killed aren't doing what the cops are asking them to do. When someone pushes you into the corner some bad is fixing to happen. To put all the blame on the cop is wrong.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

Both LOE and the public have faults, but I'm focusing cops. Some need to make better decisions and not be so trigger happy.

This is where we will never agree don't do the crime and comply with instruction problem solved.
The street is not the place to solve the problem the court room and legislation is

 

[Alan]

Training and experience is never a bad thing. The main problem is making the right decision in a split second. It seems like most of the folks getting shot and killed aren't doing what the cops are asking them to do. When someone pushes you into the corner some bad is fixing to happen. To put all the blame on the cop is wrong.

True, I most likely can agree with you the "most of the folks getting shot aren't following instructions". Those are truly tough situations, one I would never want to be in. But what about the rancher in Idaho trying to put down his bull that was hit by a car. Cops grabbed his rifle barrel, rifle goes off and ranchers gets opened up on by the cops. The group recently holding out in SE Oregon, driver of the white truck is forced stopped in the snow, granted he was in the wrong. yet per video he ended up shot in the back while his hands were out. Cop writing my son a wreck less driving ticket for being stopped at a red light. btw the cop gave out tickets to all involved and the judge through out my sons ticket after he dressed down the cop who didn't look old enough to shave. It's these kind of things that help make bad realationships between LOE and the public.

 

[Alan]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

Both LOE and the public have faults, but I'm focusing cops. Some need to make better decisions and not be so trigger happy.

This is where we will never agree don't do the crime and comply with instruction problem solved.
The street is not the place to solve the problem the court room and legislation is

What did the destruction of the family have to do with the cop in Idaho getting shot or a head up the but ticket being given out..... Even the stand in SE Oregon?

 

[Caustic Burno]

Are there bad cops for sure and there will always be they are a vey small percentage of our officers.
On the other side the deal with mostly dicks and smart asses.
Ninety nine percent of perceived problems are one sided stories by the innocent victim that broke or were suspected of breaking the law

 

[Alan]

I will say that I live in a different part of the country were the demographics are quite different from other areas of our country. While Portland and Seattle have some trouble it's not on the scale of other major cities, so my view may be tainted a bit.

 

[True Grit Farms]

Are there bad cops for sure and there will always be they are a vey small percentage of our officers.
On the other side the deal with mostly dicks and smart asses.
Ninety nine percent of perceived problems are one sided stories by the innocent victim that broke or were suspected of breaking the law

But you shouldn't be shot for being a smart azz. The way I see it is it's the cops job to uphold the laws, not to kill people that are suspected of breaking the law. Once the suspects are found guilty of a serious crime, then they need to be put down.
Alan you still have folks that need to be put down, it's the crime committed not the color of the person.

 

[Alan]

You're correct, but by demographics I wasn't referring to just color, we have a good size populations of Russians who (some) can cause their share of trouble, some gang some wildlife violations. Not near the population of inner city youths as large cities.

 

[Alan]

Also I believe Portland has a law were you are required to ride your dammmm bike in front of my truck! :lol:

 

[greybeard]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

What part of 'right or wrong" being taught at home caused this?

or this:

or this, where from the time the police car came to a stop, the 12 year old was given 2 seconds to hear, comprehend, and process the command "Drop the gun" in reference to the airsoft pistol he was playing with in a city park. 2 seconds-"one one thousand-two one thousand" and you're "black flag dead".
If I had done that in Vietnam, I'd probably still be in Portsmouth Naval Prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU
No charges filed in any of the above.

 

[inyati13]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

What part of 'right or wrong" being taught at home caused this?

or this:

or this, where from the time the police car came to a stop, the 12 year old was given 2 seconds to hear, comprehend, and process the command "Drop the gun" in reference to the airsoft pistol he was playing with in a city park. 2 seconds-"one one thousand-two one thousand" and you're "black flag dead".
If I had done that in Vietnam, I'd probably still be in Portsmouth Naval Prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU
No charges filed in any of the above.

Exactly!

 

[True Grit Farms]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

What part of 'right or wrong" being taught at home caused this?

or this:

or this, where from the time the police car came to a stop, the 12 year old was given 2 seconds to hear, comprehend, and process the command "Drop the gun" in reference to the airsoft pistol he was playing with in a city park. 2 seconds-"one one thousand-two one thousand" and you're "black flag dead".
If I had done that in Vietnam, I'd probably still be in Portsmouth Naval Prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU
No charges filed in any of the above.

That is all excessive use of force IMO.

 

[Son of Butch]

It's not a lack of training, but the type of training.

Everything is focused to be aggressive.
Every 6 months St Paul cops go through simulated shoot or don't shoot testing/training.
In testing/training the presence of a gun is defended as good cause to shoot.

More focus needs to be put on communication than aggression.
Otherwise traffic stops of gun owners with permits to carry are at risk of being killed by 4 shots from a cop who had
scored at the very top of his class in training.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Training for cops is not the problem the destruction of the family is.
Right and wrong is taught at home not on the street

What part of 'right or wrong" being taught at home caused this?

or this:

or this, where from the time the police car came to a stop, the 12 year old was given 2 seconds to hear, comprehend, and process the command "Drop the gun" in reference to the airsoft pistol he was playing with in a city park. 2 seconds-"one one thousand-two one thousand" and you're "black flag dead".
If I had done that in Vietnam, I'd probably still be in Portsmouth Naval Prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU
No charges filed in any of the above.

Twelve year old can kill you just as quick as a grown up.
We ask cops to wear way too many hats
IMO

 

[slick4591]

Why is it always put off on the cops? I know from my personal experience a large part of the problem would go away if people would comply with a lawful order. Yep, there's been LEO stupidity and excessive force used in situations, but in most excessive force situations it starts out with non-compliance and escalates to the point the officer overreacts. He!!, even here I've seen some of you fly off the handle and not act rationally. Dam sure wouldn't want a badge pinned on those personalities.

 

[Alan]

I agree with Butch too much aggressive first communicate second going on. Slick not all cops are bad, In fact I'm sure there are only a small percentage that are. But once someone has a bad impression of a cop it reflects on all cops. Maybe train for less aggression, they don't have to go into everything with "shock and awe". Why put the other party in a defensive position?

 

[slick4591]

I agree with Butch too much aggressive first communicate second going on. Slick not all cops are bad, In fact I'm sure there are only a small percentage that are. But once someone has a bad impression of a cop it reflects on all cops. Maybe train for less aggression, they don't have to go into everything with "shock and awe". Why put the other party in a defensive position?

So how many cops will just stop a person just to beat the he!! out them? I think virtually none or at least none that I know. Cops have to go thru training just to learn to be trained these days because lots of folks think like you, Alan. Train the public to obey lawful orders and you won't have bad cops news articles to read.