mikegahr
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I've been worming with ivermic pour-on the last 2-3 years, and thought a drench wormer this year what would u recommend
Lucky_P":b8b46xwk said:Actually, what we've come to realize is that 'rotating' classes of wormers - as we've done in the past, is a misguided concept, that only serves to move us down the road toward resistance to all classes of wormers at a much faster pace.
Better to pick one class, stick with it until it no longer works on that herd/premise, then switch to another class, etc.
So... if the ivermectin-type dewormers are working for you, stick with them. If you get to a point where you think - or can prove, by doing fecal egg counts 7-10 days after 'deworming' - that it's no longer working, then switch to one of the other anthelminthic groups - panacur/valbazen, etc. or tramisol/rumatel, etc., and stick with that group 'til it no longer does the job.
AllForage":kwygmij1 said:Why are you worming? How old are the animals and what is the feed/ management style. I graze and feed hay in winter and havn't de-wormed in 9 years. Only worm if an animal is showing signs. Waste of money and we will be in the same position as shepherds soon. Always challenge conventional practices. Want to hear something crazy? I don't vaccinate either. SSSHHHHH! Don't tell big AG on me.
Hard to measure the effects of worming but waiting until one is going to he$$ is a bit late. And if your budget is that tight you're probably in the wrong business anyway. And absolutely on the vaccines. One lost cow or calf will buy a lot of vaccine and pay for a lot of labor.Lucky_P":3gmqpdp4 said:Bigger hit will probably be when AllForage's best calves die of blackleg.
I'm not convinced that it's economically worthwhile to deworm most adult cows, but not vaccinating against anything is sheer foolishness.
I'm all about minimal inputs, but there's no way I wouldn't at least vaccinate against the clostridials and lepto.
And also a bit foolish it appears. But best of luck to you.AllForage":2en2y6kp said:Still waiting for a disaster. My market is for beef never poked or poured. I am aware of most diseases, but also don't live in fear. I also probably do not have most of the bad stuff associated with geographical areas. Vets here also tell folks worming adults is not needed. If I ran large numbers I would probably do things a little different. This is what is great about the beef industry, lots a niches.
If I see a calf with a little rough coat I put Basic H in the water. Like I said, I'm crazy.
=====================AllForage":190j0tmt said:Still waiting for a disaster. My market is for beef never poked or poured. I am aware of most diseases, but also don't live in fear. I also probably do not have most of the bad stuff associated with geographical areas. Vets here also tell folks worming adults is not needed. If I ran large numbers I would probably do things a little different. This is what is great about the beef industry, lots a niches.
If I see a calf with a little rough coat I put Basic H in the water. Like I said, I'm crazy.
Sure, seems that most amway folks think basic h will cure anything and solve any problempreston39":1yfifhkz said:=====================AllForage":1yfifhkz said:Still waiting for a disaster. My market is for beef never poked or poured. I am aware of most diseases, but also don't live in fear. I also probably do not have most of the bad stuff associated with geographical areas. Vets here also tell folks worming adults is not needed. If I ran large numbers I would probably do things a little different. This is what is great about the beef industry, lots a niches.
If I see a calf with a little rough coat I put Basic H in the water. Like I said, I'm crazy.
..."Basic H".... ?
Sure, seems that most amway folks think basic h will cure anything and solve any problem
I see many of them rubbing on trees by spring time with lice