Will this work?

[ANAZAZI]

He is encouraging you.

 

[A-RRanch]

I hope I just misunderstood then. Either way this site and this Q&A board is full of great info and help and Im glad to have found it.

 

[denvermartinfarms]

OK so my new question is since Im only looking at 8-15 cows at most really should I just keep the cows once I find good ones and try to build a herd of good cows and keep selling calves??

That is exactly what I would do. And I don't know that I would buy black if they are going to cost you more, I would just buy whatever good cows I could find and put a good bull on them.

 

[dieselbeef]

texas needs 10 ac /cow>?

 

[ga.prime]

On that note ga.prime I would appreciate it if you would just avoid my threads from now on. You obviously don't want to help but like to post for some reason.

No, I don't really like posting because most of the time nobody knows what I'm talking about. All the ideas you posted sounded good to me and I think any of them would work . You just have to do it.

 

[A-RRanch]

Thanks Ga.Prime I appreciate it!

 

[jasonleonard]

Texas Papaw, I really liked your list of advantages to this heavy-bred and then split and sell program. I also do something similar to this. The problem I run into is this..... I have an older man (74 years old) that takes care of my cattle through the week and he gets attached to every cow I buy. As long as the cows coming in to our farms are not wild or mean, and raise something that RESEMBLES A CALF , he wants to keep them around forever. I really appreciate these older helpers and find them MUCH more dependable and harder working around my farms than these young boys. I need to send some of these junkier cows to the killpen without aggravating my helper...Anyone have a good solution?

 

[denvermartinfarms]

Texas Papaw, I really liked your list of advantages to this heavy-bred and then split and sell program. I also do something similar to this. The problem I run into is this..... I have an older man (74 years old) that takes care of my cattle through the week and he gets attached to every cow I buy. As long as the cows coming in to our farms are not wild or mean, and raise something that RESEMBLES A CALF , he wants to keep them around forever. I really appreciate these older helpers and find them MUCH more dependable and harder working around my farms than these young boys. I need to send some of these junkier cows to the killpen without aggravating my helper...Anyone have a good solution?

I don't have answer, but I would think anyone in this business would see if a cow won't raise a calf she needs to go, but I know i have some that will die on the place.

 

[Texas PaPaw]

Texas Papaw, I really liked your list of advantages to this heavy-bred and then split and sell program. I also do something similar to this. The problem I run into is this..... I have an older man (74 years old) that takes care of my cattle through the week and he gets attached to every cow I buy. As long as the cows coming in to our farms are not wild or mean, and raise something that RESEMBLES A CALF , he wants to keep them around forever. I really appreciate these older helpers and find them MUCH more dependable and harder working around my farms than these young boys. I need to send some of these junkier cows to the killpen without aggravating my helper...Anyone have a good solution?

Jason

Don't have a real good answer for your situation, if nothing else show him my list of reasons. If you can find an angle that appeals to his feelings/emotions that will probably work the best. Explain that it is more profitable to sell a calf from a cow you have only fed for 8-9 months than from one that you have fed for 12 months and that doesn't count the ones that don't breed back, abort or die while trying to get another calf from them. Also explain to him that this is a for profit business and you need to run it as a business not a cow welfare state. Remind him that profit is what keeps you in business and pays his wages. No profit, no job for him. Also if you don't have a bull it will be safer for him and everyone else who works there. I suppose as a last resort you could offer to sell him the cows he doesn't want to go. Kind of a put up or shutup deal. Obviously you would need to be more diplomatic. I guess something like "I would be glad to sell her to you instead of the sale barn".

Edit-Just thought of an analogy you might use to make your point for selling old cows and replacing them with bred cows.

Suppose you own a truck that is 10 yrs old, has 200k miles, original engine and trans with only routine oil changes, no major repairs but tires are about worn out. Has been very reliable so far and seems to be in good condition considering the age/miles but nothing has been checked/tested. There is a dealer that will readily pay $5,000 for your truck. Down the road there is an almost identical truck that is only 8 years old and has 160k miles. The engine and trans have been professionally tested and certified as working properly and has a 90 day warranty. Also this truck comes with an extra set of new tires. You can buy this truck for $5,000. Wouldn't it make sense to sell your older higher mileage truck and buy the newer one that has been tested, has a warranty and a new set of tires.

Basically that is what you are doing when selling an older cow and replacing her with a old confirmed heavy bred cow.

Not sure any of this is helpful, but it's the best I can come up with.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Texas Papaw, I really liked your list of advantages to this heavy-bred and then split and sell program. I also do something similar to this. The problem I run into is this..... I have an older man (74 years old) that takes care of my cattle through the week and he gets attached to every cow I buy. As long as the cows coming in to our farms are not wild or mean, and raise something that RESEMBLES A CALF , he wants to keep them around forever. I really appreciate these older helpers and find them MUCH more dependable and harder working around my farms than these young boys. I need to send some of these junkier cows to the killpen without aggravating my helper...Anyone have a good solution?

Big problem with that is finding decennt heavies in Texas. I have bought heavies for year's old SS cow's calfed them out and split them in the fall. I haven't bought one this year. I bought 19 last year in the spring ran them till the fall.
I have not seen one go through the barn this spring I would buy or pay the price for and it come out. You get to paying over a 100 dollar's above kill price and you will get your clock cleaned and you better have one heck of a discerning eye at the barn. This is not a game for Rookies if you are buying your heavies through the barn and you can't afford them out of the field.
Had a fellow stop here wednesday and buy every black baldie heifer I had and they are a month old.
Told me to call him at weaning he wanted them all for replacement's and said he would take any other's that are born.

 

[LauraleesFarm]

I would offer the guy who tends your cows first option on any of the ones you are culling. If he is that attached then he can buy them direct from you. And if he declines then off to the sale they go.