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[MillIronQH]

Explain this to me??? I have a neighbor (an older gentleman) that has a mixed commercial herd. Brindles, black baldys, etc. They are a pretty decent set of cows. About 150 head.

He runs several Char bulls with them for a few months and then takes them out and throws in a couple of Angus type bulls. I can't figure out the logic and I don't really know him well enough to stick my nose in.Z

 

[Family Tradition]

Maybe he's just cleaning up Z

 

[dun]

The logic, if there is any would be to determine which bulls get the job done. Since a lot of people don;t keep track of DOB or calving interval it would be a way to determine if a cow is a late calver by just looking at her calf. Years ago with heifers at the dairy we ran them with an Angus bull for 3 months then pulled the heifers and ran them with a Hereford until they started to spring. When we started getting more black baldys we knew there was a problem with the Angus bull.

 

[Frankie]

Explain this to me??? I have a neighbor (an older gentleman) that has a mixed commercial herd. Brindles, black baldys, etc. They are a pretty decent set of cows. About 150 head.

He runs several Char bulls with them for a few months and then takes them out and throws in a couple of Angus type bulls. I can't figure out the logic and I don't really know him well enough to stick my nose in.Z

Maybe the black ones sell better even though they'll be younger and smaller? He can sell the Charolais calves at the same time as a similar size and age group. The black ones will be younger, but might make up the difference because of their color? That's the best I can come up with.

 

[Beefy]

well, depending on the bull to cow ratio, the bulls may need to tag team. they can get pretty tuckerd out breeding cows all day. maybe he feels that more cows will get settled earlier with bulls that arent worn out. maybe the charolais bulls compliment his early calving cows better and angus bulls compliment the later calving cows better. maybe he wants to market them differently or maybe he wants it to be obvious who the father of the calf is.

 

[VanC]

Explain this to me??? I have a neighbor (an older gentleman) that has a mixed commercial herd. Brindles, black baldys, etc. They are a pretty decent set of cows. About 150 head.

He runs several Char bulls with them for a few months and then takes them out and throws in a couple of Angus type bulls. I can't figure out the logic and I don't really know him well enough to stick my nose in.Z

Maybe he sells all the Char calves as feeders, but wants replacement heifers out of the Angus bulls. Have you seen him do this for a number of years, or just recently? What do you mean by "a few months"?

 

[glover36]

maybe certain coloured calves sell better at certtain times of the year

 

[MillIronQH]

Explain this to me??? I have a neighbor (an older gentleman) that has a mixed commercial herd. Brindles, black baldys, etc. They are a pretty decent set of cows. About 150 head.

He runs several Char bulls with them for a few months and then takes them out and throws in a couple of Angus type bulls. I can't figure out the logic and I don't really know him well enough to stick my nose in.Z

Maybe he sells all the Char calves as feeders, but wants replacement heifers out of the Angus bulls. Have you seen him do this for a number of years, or just recently? What do you mean by "a few months"?

I've only known him a couple of years but it sounds like he's been doing this for a lot of years. Again I don't really know him well enough to ask to many questions. I think he keeps the Char bulls in about three months.Z

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Maybe you could get to know him better. Tell him you are eager to learn, and just simply ask him what his protocol is with the two different breeds. That should be simple enough!

DOC HARRIS

 

[KNERSIE]

If he wanted replacements out of the angus bulls he would have been better of sending them in first for a short cycle, say 28 days, and then sending the Charolais bulls in which should produce growthier calves, but with less maternal qualities. This way he gets a angus based replacement, selects for fertility and a heavy calf crop by the char bulls all in the same breeding season and all in one breeding pasture.

It could be that he wants exactly the opposite, ie char replacements and black steers to sell....one never knows

 

[novatech]

Explain this to me??? I have a neighbor (an older gentleman) that has a mixed commercial herd. Brindles, black baldys, etc. They are a pretty decent set of cows. About 150 head.

He runs several Char bulls with them for a few months and then takes them out and throws in a couple of Angus type bulls. I can't figure out the logic and I don't really know him well enough to stick my nose in.Z

Maybe he sells all the Char calves as feeders, but wants replacement heifers out of the Angus bulls. Have you seen him do this for a number of years, or just recently? What do you mean by "a few months"?

I've only known him a couple of years but it sounds like he's been doing this for a lot of years. Again I don't really know him well enough to ask to many questions. I think he keeps the Char bulls in about three months.Z

There are no stupid questions only stupid people that don,t ask them. Go ahead and ask. Whats the worst thing that can happen? None of your buss. Ok so what have you lost by asking. So ask. Today. I expect an answer by this afternoon. Now I just gotta Know. If you can'nt do it, get me a phone number I'll do it.

 

[Aero]

The logic, if there is any would be to determine which bulls get the job done. Since a lot of people don;t keep track of DOB or calving interval it would be a way to determine if a cow is a late calver by just looking at her calf. Years ago with heifers at the dairy we ran them with an Angus bull for 3 months then pulled the heifers and ran them with a Hereford until they started to spring. When we started getting more black baldys we knew there was a problem with the Angus bull.

as usual, my money's on dun

 

[Aero]

There are no stupid questions only stupid people that don,t ask them.

i am not saying it applies in this case, but there are stupid questions. when the answer slaps you in the face and you still ask the question, it's a stupid one.

the stupidest question of all is one you already know the answer to... and you just want to ask it.

sorry to contribute to the hijacking, its a sensitive issue.

 

[Jogeephus]

Maybe you could get to know him better. Tell him you are eager to learn, and just simply ask him what his protocol is with the two different breeds. That should be simple enough!

DOC HARRIS

Ditto, you'll probably make a new friend in the process.

 

[novatech]

There are no stupid questions only stupid people that don,t ask them.

i am not saying it applies in this case, but there are stupid questions. when the answer slaps you in the face and you still ask the question, it's a stupid one.

the stupidest question of all is one you already know the answer to... and you just want to ask it.

sorry to contribute to the hijacking, its a sensitive issue.

The older I get the more I forget. If I don't ask I will absolutly prove I stupid. And yes often when I get the answer I must slap myself while saying dumb a--.

 

[mnmtranching]

I think the old time cattlemen know what their doing, and have a reason for everything. It is hard to figure.

My simple guess would be. The Charolais bulls are older and he shipped them out, broke in some yearling bulls on late breeders.
Or, you didn't notice but maybe he put a group of heifers in at the same time the Angus bulls went in.

I can't see any logic in keeping two sets of bulls.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

I think the old time cattlemen know what their doing, and have a reason for everything. It is hard to figure.

My simple guess would be. The Charolais bulls are older and he shipped them out, broke in some yearling bulls on late breeders.
Or, you didn't notice but maybe he put a group of heifers in at the same time the Angus bulls went in.

I can't see any logic in keeping two sets of bulls.

like was said he might be using the charolais for terminal calves and keeps the angus as maternal for replacment females. usually about 20% of the herds total. just one thought.or just maybe he likes to rotate

 

[VanC]

If he wanted replacements out of the angus bulls he would have been better of sending them in first for a short cycle, say 28 days, and then sending the Charolais bulls in which should produce growthier calves, but with less maternal qualities. This way he gets a angus based replacement, selects for fertility and a heavy calf crop by the char bulls all in the same breeding season and all in one breeding pasture.

It could be that he wants exactly the opposite, ie char replacements and black steers to sell....one never knows

This makes perfect sense. There's a guy near here that runs a Char and a Red Angus at the same time on about 60 head. Every couple of years he replaces the RA with a Hereford and vice versa to maintain some heterosis in his cows.