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simme

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This cow calved 11 days ago to a young cleanup bull. The bull was one my brother kept as a backup in case any of his other bulls turned up with an injury. Bull was a mix of 3 breeds and looked pretty good. Not very big, but high libido, aggressive breeder.

The cow is purebred simmental. The heifer calf is 5/8 simmental, 1/8 red angus and 1/4 of a lesser used breed. Anyone want to guess that 3rd breed? Calf has some frame with long legs and some thickness.
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Good calf, whatever it is. Cow looks good, looks like she’s should have plenty of milk to raise it.
I’m going to take a wild guess and say Gelbvieh or Limousin for the mystery breed, not knowing how far out on the lesser breed, and figuring it’s not too far out.
 
I'd be using him too. He's got it all...
Just a home raised bull my brother had kept in case he needed a backup. I don't think he ever used him. Here is the story from an older post of how I ended up using the bull on 3 late calvers hoping to get them back on schedule for an AI calf next year. The bull has good phenotype, just smaller. He got those 3 late calvers bred very soon after they calved. All bred and settled between 22 and 30 days after calving.
I try to get all my cows settled to AI. But success is variable some years. Fall of 2023 breeding gave some pretty bad results. I synch my little herd with CIDRs. #65 and #45 settled on first service in November 2023. #63 was serviced Nov 24, Jan 3, Jan 22, #64 did not show heat for the Nov synch, was serviced on a cidr synched heat on Dec 25, then again on Feb 2. #40 did not show any heat from the Nov synch, Cidr used again and serviced on Dec 25 on timed ai with no heat shown. What is wrong with these cows? Worst results ever.
Borrowed a bull from my brother when he took his bulls back out of the pastures. Put the bull in with these cows on Feb 3. He bred # 40 and #63 on Feb 26. Bred #64 on March 16. That resulted in calving from Sept 1, 2024 to Dec 26, 2024. Pitiful, but they all got bred.

What to do to straighten this out? Do these cows have fertility problems? Apparently they did that year with 63, 64 and 40 calving way late. So, I decided to not attempt AI on those 3 for the fall 2024 breeding. I borrowed my brother's spare backup bull that he never turned out. Synched and AI'd the other cows that were not late calvers on Nov 27 and 28 on observed strong heats. That group included 2 retained heifers and two 2 year olds that I purchased as bred heifers that had calved in September. Never saw any of that AI group return to heat (using stickers and checking for heat). Turned out the borrowed bull on Dec 23 hoping to get things back on track.

Lots of dates and numbers to keep up with, I know. Here is the point I want to make. Those 3 hard to get bred late calvers the previous year all settled very quickly with the bull. Late calving #63 calved on Dec 3, 2024 and was observed standing and bred by the bull on Dec 25, 22 days after calving. Late calving #40 calved on Dec 6, 2024 and was observed bred by the bull on Jan 1, 2025, 26 days after calving. Late calving #64 calved on Dec 28, 2024 and was observed bred by the bull on Jan 27, 2025, 30 days after calving. Biopryn results received today confirm all cows pregnant and hopefully back on track for AI breeding this fall. So, do those 3 late calvers have fertility problems or not? I don't know. I have usually had very good results with AI. Biggest difference this past year was that we had a bad drought, ran out of grass and started feeding hay in August, rain from hurricane in late September returned grass for a month. So, they bred back so quickly with the worst weather and grass. Previous year had pretty normal weather. Those 3 seem to be super fertile now, but genetics are the same as the previous year. Sometimes things just happen, good and bad.
 
@simme just something about the interaction between cow and bull that we can not do. I dare say he gets em in the mood. 😉

I dont think id call it fertility issue either. I have read a goos bit on here that they stick better when nutrition has them on the gain or maintaining. Maybe the hay just didnt compare to grazing?
 
simme, are you saying the 3 cows the borrowerd bull bred had post-partum intervals of between 22-40 days?
 
We had several rebreed back on the first heat after calving... 2 were 27 days and I think there were 3 or 4 others that were less than 45 days... several cows backed up nearly 2 months those 2 years so yeah... bred and calved 10-11 months after their previous calf. My longhorn backed up 5 months in 3 years.... from August born first calf.(heifer).....to June for 2nd calf,(bull) to March for 3rd calf (which were twin heifers); THEN, to 1st of Feb....for her 4th calf (bull).... the bull was there pretty much all the time so she was not limited to a breeding season..... but, the bull now has a defined breeding season there with the heifers I am breeding... so she had her 5th and 6th calves ( both bulls) in late march and 1st of April.... She deserved a break, and not get bred back and calve every 10 months.... 1st 3 calves by bull #10B... next 2 calves by #24QH.... #6 by #9QH, and she should be bred back to him for her 7th calf... I never preg check her, she is the "guardian" at this pasture and will either calve or not... she is great for discouraging dogs and coyotes in the field... and I like to look at her...
But she is prolific also.
 
simme, are you saying the 3 cows the borrowerd bull bred had post-partum intervals of between 22-40 days?
Between 22 days and 30 days. Calving dates and breeding dates are in the old post. He started courting them as soon as he went in the pasture. No lazy observing from afar and waiting on them. He was up close and personal with them continuously until they were in heat and bred. I was surprised that all three cycled and settled so quick after calving. Especially after so many AI attempts the previous year.
 

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