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I want to AI this heifer next month [she will be 15 months old then] Don't want to put her out with the bull, I need one calf next spring to compare his calves with. Her epd's are CED-3.5 BW+5.2 WW+44 YW+76 MM +14 MG+36 CEM+0.8 She's in the top 15% for ribeye area, just above breed average for fat. She has a frame score of 5.6 Remitall and Victor breeding. So who would you use.
She just started to walk off in this pic, I posted the wrong one :roll:
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MSU Hudson 19H, Legend, Mark Domino 8020, Farley, Ozzie,.....If you want to complement her thickness and muscling as IMO none other could, check into the Day bull that is now available AI through Steven Polledstad (sp?) See last year's Hereford World July issue for pic, and Richard Day could give you the contact info for Steven.
 
Instead of telling you which bull to use I'd rather say what i'd like to change in her.

I'd like to see her BW EPD lower and make sure her calf has eye pigment, I'd be very careful not to lose the already very good capacity and muscle. When working with a heifer like this making breeding decisions is simple.
 
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Harland - if you're fortunate, the result would be a polled bull that you could use to cross back on the heifers that you will get from the Churchill bull for their first calves. Nice heifer!
 
Herefords.US":2uz83nom said:
Harland - if you're fortunate, the result would be a polled bull that you could use to cross back on the heifers that you will get from the Churchill bull for their first calves. Nice heifer!
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Welcome back!
 
Nice looking heifer. I never thought to much about herfords till latley looks like there are some breeders really trying to breed useful cattle.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. Some of the bulls mentioned i'd planned on using on the next generation [my new bulls calves] and wanted to maybe try something a little different on this calf. I've always liked Harland, his epd's are a very good match for the heifer and I like the way he looks, a beef bull with a little style about him. Its what I looked for when I got my new bull, a beef bull with a good look to him, rather than my last bull who was a show type bull that I thought would add some muscle to his calves. So thank you Herefords.US, I liked your idea.

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If you wanted to lower the BW, maintain the growth, and increase the carcass merits you might look into SHF Rib Eye. The calves out of him that I have seen have been pretty good, especially the ones bred back to a Remitall type of cow.
 
Nice looking heifer, I too would try to get her BW down, also being a heifer I would use a easy calving bull for the first. 242 has good REA and IMF and as you know a low BW and great CED. 2 other bulls I like and would think about using is Rib Eye and Progress. I like Rib Eye the most of the three because of the slightly higher growth EPD's (WW & YW) while giving you an easy calving option with a BW of -1.7 and a CED of 4.8 would also give her MM a bump to around 18 while maintaining her good carcuss numbers.

Just my 2 cents,
Alan
 
rocket2222":3i0ujdd5 said:
Thanks for all the suggestions. Some of the bulls mentioned i'd planned on using on the next generation [my new bulls calves] and wanted to maybe try something a little different on this calf. I've always liked Harland, his epd's are a very good match for the heifer and I like the way he looks, a beef bull with a little style about him. Its what I looked for when I got my new bull, a beef bull with a good look to him, rather than my last bull who was a show type bull that I thought would add some muscle to his calves. So thank you Herefords.US, I liked your idea.

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I'd like to hear what advantage you think Harland will have phenotypically over your bull? Unless you have a different goal in mind for the calf?
 
Let's go back to that first question and that's that he's just wanting an AI calf to compare with his own bull which is a good idea. I would go with a bull that has some buzz attached to his name. Ribeye is one of those, Harland ( but I agree with the others from the pictures your bull looks better), etc. Personally I think I'd use Ribeye. Just a side note your bull's growing really good. He looks awesome!
 
Rockett your bull looks nice. After giving more thought to a AI bull to use inorder to compare to your bull I think that I would go with SHF Progress , Schular 5N , or Legend . They all have considerable carcass and preformance data that can be use for comparison. If you really want a good comparison you need to breed a few more to the AI bull of your choice. I can not see using Harland when your bull looks so similar if not better. I'm interested in what you decide and how they compare.

What is your bull pedgree?
 
LFF":2mqgwvn9 said:
Rockett your bull looks nice. After giving more thought to a AI bull to use inorder to compare to your bull I think that I would go with SHF Progress , Schular 5N , or Legend . They all have considerable carcass and preformance data that can be use for comparison. If you really want a good comparison you need to breed a few more to the AI bull of your choice. I can not see using Harland when your bull looks so similar if not better. I'm interested in what you decide and how they compare.

What is your bull pedgree?
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If a bull has the ability to create a better son then why use Legend Progress is an improvement on him. After seeing Progress and Ribeye's side by side in my program and Sandhill Farms I would use Ribeye over Progess (no pigment at all) The 5N bull I have not seen a calf of his yet. My attempt at AI with 5N have not gotten a conception yet maybe a sign.

NIce looking bull under Harland.

Jeff
 
To begin with - rocket, it looks like your Churchill bull is really coming along nicely!

Regarding Harland - I actually saw the bull, as a calf, and then again at the Harland dispersion where I looked him over very closely because I knew that Jerry Harland was extremely "high" on him. Harland didn't have a "poor" topline - I don't know why Harland's owners chose a picture where he is stretched out SO far to promote him. But I've seen other breeders make the same mistake.

"Looks" are one thing - being able to pass phenotype and other important traits along to the next generation is another! That is where I think Harland is excelling. In his first calves, he appears to be outbreeding himself - much like another Harland bred bull did - CJH L1 Domino 552 - who happens to be the sire of Northern Rancher's bull.

Harland is being widely used and his performance data, by the time rocket would be getting his calves on the ground, is going to be as complete and accurate as any contemporary Hereford bull out there. For the sake of COMPARISON, he'll be hard to beat. Although I'm not sure a single calf from Harland(out of a first calf heifer) will be a fair comparison(for either bull), I'm sure that rocket can use his judgment and maybe at least get some idea about how his bull is doing - as a breeding bull.

Ribeye would probably be a good choice as well!
 
S&S Farms":22pama03 said:
If a bull has the ability to create a better son then why use Legend Progress is an improvement on him. After seeing Progress and Ribeye's side by side in my program and Sandhill Farms I would use Ribeye over Progess (no pigment at all) The 5N bull I have not seen a calf of his yet. My attempt at AI with 5N have not gotten a conception yet maybe a sign.

NIce looking bull under Harland.

Jeff
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I still have doubts about Progress being better than Legend. I have calves from Schular 5N and he stamps pigment on his offspring almost every time, however his calves are often ligher red. As for conception rates I have managed to get 3 calves from 5 attempts , which is better than I did with P606 but not as good as I've had with Huth Prospector N065 or EF Beef Frank P230.

P230 would be a good choice, but I'm hestiant to suggest using him. He does not sire the muscleing that most people need , however if you use him with a cow that is dark red and highly muscled then you can have a exceptional calf.
 

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