Vindicator vs Online semen

[Alan]

The "milking Herefords" gave me some great advice and was a lot of help, with good discussion. But it did bring up another question.

Reed has Vindicator semen priced at $10 a straw, I believe he is long since deceased. While you take a bull "like" Online that had a very short breeding life and his semen is going for $300 a straw. What's the main difference in product control? Better bull management? inventory control? You're thoughts?

This post is not a knock on any bull, just curious on the industry and why some inventory of a great bull is there for years and some are gone in a few years.... hence the word "like" Online.


Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post your opinion publicly.

Thanks,
Alan

 

[Ned Jr.]

I think it has to do with suppy & demand. I bet if the owners of bulls like Online,9126 and 212M would have foreseen the future they would have never took them out of the bull stud.

 

[El_Putzo]

Not to derail the post, but I have a similar question. At a recent sale I attended, they had a supplement sheet with all of their herd bulls listed and which ones they sell semen on. There was about 10 bulls on sheet and there were 4 bulls between the ages of 4 and 7 that were deceased. My question, is, what is happening to these 4-7 yr old bulls that they are dieing at that age? I would think as a semen promoter you would want to let your customers know the reason for a bulls untimely death, especially if the death was by no fault of the owner. Now of course I'm sure there are some instances where the premature death of a bull was because of owner negligence, and I'm sure that would not be advertised.

It usually throws a red flag with me when the "next big thing" 4 yr old suddenly dies and no one knows why. Am I right in thinking this way?

Sorry to derail the thread Alan, but I thought this was pertinent.

 

[dun]

Unless you are looking for a bull to generate either bulls or heifers to be used for breeding purposes, what difference does it make?

dun

 

[El_Putzo]

Unless you are looking for a bull to generate either bulls or heifers to be used for breeding purposes, what difference does it make?

dun

Is this in reference to my question or Alan's?

 

[dun]

Unless you are looking for a bull to generate either bulls or heifers to be used for breeding purposes, what difference does it make?

dun

Is this in reference to my question or Alan's?

Sorry bout that. Your's cpncerning age of bulls.

dun

 

[El_Putzo]

You got me on a technicality, Dun. To answer your question, it doesn't. If you're using the bull as a terminal sire, his longevity is of no concern.

You know me better than that though dun, the use of a terminal sire is a long ways off for my herd, if it ever happens at all.

 

[Brandonm2]

IF I got the story right, Online herneated himself in a trailer loading/unloading accident at a show in Texas. That sounds like the kind of FREAK accident that could happen to any bull so I don't think it reflects poorly on his genetics. Every other bull who didn't live to age 8 has a different story of what went wrong and I would like to hear that story before breeding a dozen cows to him. Enforcer and Vindicator are no long popular sires. These were bulls that sold a lot of semen and were collected many times over a long period of time. Now there is more semen than there is demand for it so price is high. SUPPOSEDLY there is a shortage of Online semen (and since he died young we can't collect anymore). His calves keep winning shows and bringing high dollars at sales so the semen that is in circulation is in great demand.