us post office

[bbirder]

I know some very fine people who work for the USPO, but none of them have or will rise to mgmt. Therein lies the problem. They hire management people to run this business that have never licked a stamp or delivered a letter. A degree doesn't mean you can build a fence to keep the herd controlled! :deadhorse:

 

[fenceman]

All govt. Offices should have a board of directors of successful small business men and women. Taxes would drop like a rock and the govt. would show a profit

 

[D2Cat]

Well last week I ordered a heating element for a range online from a place in Kentucky. Paid with PayPal about 2PM. Shipping was $6 and some change. Said it would take up to 7 days to receive, but usually takes two or three. Next morning at 10:30 the FedX truck pulls up with the package!

I was surprised, to say the least. But the point is, someone knows how to deliver goods in a timely fashion at a fair price.

 

[D2Cat]

If this happened, "All govt. Offices should have a board of directors of successful small business men and women. Taxes would drop like a rock and the govt. would show a profit." unemployment would go up. About 20% would be laid off because they're not productive and know they can get away with it.

 

[hurleyjd]

Well last week I ordered a heating element for a range online from a place in Kentucky. Paid with PayPal about 2PM. Shipping was $6 and some change. Said it would take up to 7 days to receive, but usually takes two or three. Next morning at 10:30 the FedX truck pulls up with the package!

I was surprised, to say the least. But the point is, someone knows how to deliver goods in a timely fashion at a fair price.

I have had good results with the USPS. One example was an injector pump. It was rebuilt in Badger Wisconsin. The re-builder called at 9:00 o'clock A.M. gave him the credit card information and the pump came to me the next day at 9:30 A.M.

 

[TexasBred]

In no way do I think all USPS people are bad or that they don't deserve their money. We have a family member who married a very nice lady that works for USPS.... and yes... she has some stories.

The USPS is like the rest of the civil servants only worse. They have forgotten that we pay we pay their wages. The post office and their employees, retirees are a giant burden to our country.

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. You'd have to explain that one to me.

With tax dollars and being a customer.

Actually not true at all.

"The Postal Service receives no tax dollars for operating expenses, and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."

Additionally, USA Today reported in July 2013 that the Postal Service “does not receive federal assistance, getting revenue from postage sales, delivery services and other products. But mail service has dropped nearly 25% from 215 billion pieces delivered in 2006 to a current volume of 160 billion."

 

[TexasBred]

All govt. Offices should have a board of directors of successful small business men and women. Taxes would drop like a rock and the govt. would show a profit

Government is not suppose to show a profit. They should try to break even. That would be the perfect scenario.

 

[TexasBred]

Well last week I ordered a heating element for a range online from a place in Kentucky. Paid with PayPal about 2PM. Shipping was $6 and some change. Said it would take up to 7 days to receive, but usually takes two or three. Next morning at 10:30 the FedX truck pulls up with the package!

I was surprised, to say the least. But the point is, someone knows how to deliver goods in a timely fashion at a fair price.

It is easier when all you have to do is deliver a couple hundred pkgs. a day instead of a hundred pkgs. and a couple thousand pieces of mail. That being said UPS and FedX do a great job. They do have a place.

 

[fenceman]

All govt. Offices should have a board of directors of successful small business men and women. Taxes would drop like a rock and the govt. would show a profit

Government is not suppose to show a profit. They should try to break even. That would be the perfect scenario.

Texas bred you are one of a handful on this forum who when you give advice on cattle I shut up and listen..I typed up a big long response ,thought about and shortened it to, SERIOUSLY...

 

[Brute 23]

TB,
The USPS has a $15B line of credit with the Treasury that was maxed out in 2012. I'd be willing to bet we are not getting that back.
So yes... through a bailout or default tax payers will lose well over $15B to the USPS.

 

[TexasBred]

TB,
The USPS has a $15B line of credit with the Treasury that was maxed out in 2012. I'd be willing to bet we are not getting that back.
So yes... through a bailout or default tax payers will lose well over $15B to the USPS.

Bailout 15 billion?? We have more than that fall through the crack everyday in Washington. lolol...dam we may have to raise the price of a stamp another couple of cents. How much do you think the Depy spend big but have zero income so it's really more a matter of semantics. The post office dept is handled totally different from other agencies...as was indicated earlier...forced to fund their retirement fund in full....while your googling check and see how many other gov't agencies do that or if they fund it at all....someone has too . I'm curious and have no idea...also see what their "loss" is every year and why it is not sensationalized like the post office dept deficit.

 

[TexasBred]

What your Letter Carrier and Obamcare Have in Common
PostDateIcon February 7th, 2013 | PostAuthorIcon Author: Paul Roy

mandate amendment 28th amendment postal service obamacareSo what happens when the Government is in charge of something? Or how about when it mandates something? We don’t have to look too far for an answer, in fact only to the oldest Government agency in the country: the United States Postal Service (USPS).

The USPS has been losing money for years, no decades, and some of it, no not all, is because of various government mandates. From an article in the Washington Post, here are two prime examples:

Under the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, Congress has for years forced the USPS to pre-fund 75 years’ worth of pensions for its employees, a requirement not made of any other public or private institution. That means that the Postal Service is footing the bill for employees it hasn’t even hired yet.

Abolishing Saturday delivery is just one small part of that plan; all of it, by law, requires Congressional buy-in. … The big problem is simple, but huge: Congress isn’t playing along, and instead is just making matters worse, unhelpfully micromanaging everything from postage rates to delivery schedules to health-care contributions.

As mentioned above, the government has been micromanaging the USPS for years which has caused inefficiencies and money hemorrhages for years. Does anyone think that taking over the healthcare system will be any different? I know, I see some of you in the back of the room saying, “Bur Paul, the government isn’t taking over healthcare, it is still private.” Read the not so fine print in this paragraph, again from the Post:

The USPS doesn’t actually receive money from the government, but still needs Congressional approval to make any changes to its structure. An analysis in July showed that the USPS, without its pension requirement, would have a $1.5 billion surplus.

Even though the USPS doesn’t receive government funding, Congress still controls them. With Obamacare, there is government funding, through our taxes which in case you haven’t noticed are going up because of it. We need to stop these things from happening, and we know how, the Mandate Amendment to the Constitution is the answer.

Now, for those few of you in the back with your hands still up, if you need another example of a government entity, which we do fund, that always loses money, take a look at Amtrak.

 

[Brute 23]

Ok its the most responsible govt agency. :lol2: :clap:

 

[TexasBred]

Ok its the most responsible govt agency. :lol2: :clap:

:lol2: :nod: Trying anyway.

 

[gimpyrancher]

The USPS was so flush with money they wanted to replace their entire fleet with electric vehicles. So politicians with demanding supporters stepped in. Name one other business that is required to provide enough money in a retirement account to fund retiring employees 75 years in the future? Meaning employees that aren't even a glimmer in their parents eyes yet. Elected officials purposely trying to make them fail so they can privatize the USPS so they can get more bribes.

Name one other viable business that has lasted as long as the USPS that is still able to provide their programs and services so cheaply. One of the last major Unionized employers in the country.

 

[Japody]

OK, here goes. I will try to explain some of the issues brought up here. I am a retired Postmaster/Manager with the USPS. I am not condoning any of these facts, just stating and clarifying. First, the USPS does not receive any tax dollars. All revenue is through the sale of postage with the exception of reimbursement for political mail. As stated by others, the USPS was forced to prepay retirees pensions 75 years in advance, at the rate of 5 billion dollars per year. This was enacted in 2007. Congress saw the USPS as a cash cow and this payment was applied to the US deficit. Then 2008 and the Great Recession hit. The $15 billion line of credit was mostly used to pay this. The amount in the pension kitty has the USPS covered for several decades. No other company or government entity in the US is subject to this levy. Now about the mail traveling distances when it's going to the same town. The average clerk can manually sort letters at 1000 letters per hour. They sort the mail to a carrier. The carrier then has to sort the mail according to their route at the average of 800 letters per hour. Machines at the Plant where the mail is trucked to are capable of sorting letters at up to 36,000 letters per hour. Not only do they sort to the carrier, but also sort the mail in route order so that the carrier does not have to sort it. This has resulted in huge savings. The trucks are running the routes to and from the POs to the Plant so there is little extra transportation costs involved. As for the employees, they are for the most part dedicated and caring. Do they have some bad apples? Sure, but show me a business that doesn't. In an effort to reduce costs, the workforce has been reduced by about 200,000 employees through retirements and buyouts. I could write volumes on this subject, but hope this clarifies some issues. No haters please.

 

[hurleyjd]

Ive had a po box in a nearby(30 miles ) large city for about 12 years. For business reasons. Those reasons no longer exist so i decided to move the mailbox to local small town po box. We have no mailbox at house so we recieved both personal and business mail at same box. Made a weekly trip to town to get mail. I started at local p.o. was told to fill out one card to forward business mail and one to forward personal mail. No problem. We start getting business mail no problem, personal mail getting sent back to big city po marked unable to forward. Went to big city p.o was told couldnt forward both to same address WHAT. Didnt argue went back to local p.o. opened second box in my name. Went back to big city p.o was told to fill out form and drop In any mailbox.IM AT THE. POST OFFICE. I do as im told now im getting now im getting no personal mail forwarded or sent to original box all returned to sender. Now i believe sending a letter across the country for 50 cents is a bargain. But for pete sakes i wish they would have charged me 20 buckes or what ever and got it right. Maybe they would be in better shape financially. And you cant talk to anybody who cares. Just fill out a form and put in a mailbox.IM AT THE ......POSTOFFICE.....If anybody out there. Gets any of my mail please let me know

You did post this about two months ago. Have you contacted any of the folks and businesses that you have a changed address and they need to update their address for you. There is a time limit as the time for the post office to forward mail.

 

[fenceman]

Ive had a po box in a nea,(30 miles ) large city for about 12 years. For business reasons. Those reasons no longer exist so i decided to move the mailbox to local small town po box. We have no mailbox at house so we recieved both personal and business mail at same box. Made a weekly trip to town to get mail. I started at local p.o. was told to fill out one card to forward business mail and one to forward personal mail. No problem. We start getting business mail no problem, personal mail getting sent back to big city po marked unable to forward. Went to big city p.o was told couldnt forward both to same address WHAT. Didnt argue went back to local p.o. opened second box in my name. Went back to big city p.o was told to fill out form and drop In any mailbox.IM AT THE. POST OFFICE. I do as im told now im getting now im getting no personal mail forwarded or sent to original box all returned to sender. Now i believe sending a letter across the country for 50 cents is a bargain. But for pete sakes i wish they would have charged me 20 buckes or what ever and got it right. Maybe they would be in better shape financially. And you cant talk to anybody who cares. Just fill out a form and put in a mailbox.IM AT THE ......POSTOFFICE.....If anybody out there. Gets any of my mail please let me know

You did post this about two months ago. Have you contacted any of the folks and businesses that you have a changed address and they need to update their address for you. There is a time limit as the time for the post office to forward mail.

Yes we pretty much have it straight. We gave up on po. And got a hold of every one we could think of thank you for checking. Funny thing I a appointment with doctor the other day. In small talk it came up. He was going through same thing.

OK, here goes. I will try to explain some of the issues brought up here. I am a retired Postmaster/Manager with the USPS. I am not condoning any of these facts, just stating and clarifying. First, the USPS does not receive any tax dollars. All revenue is through the sale of postage with the exception of reimbursement for political mail. As stated by others, the USPS was forced to prepay retirees pensions 75 years in advance, at the rate of 5 billion dollars per year. This was enacted in 2007. Congress saw the USPS as a cash cow and this payment was applied to the US deficit. Then 2008 and the Great Recession hit. The $15 billion line of credit was mostly used to pay this. The amount in the pension kitty has the USPS covered for several decades. No other company or government entity in the US is subject to this levy. Now about the mail traveling distances when it's going to the same town. The average clerk can manually sort letters at 1000 letters per hour. They sort the mail to a carrier. The carrier then has to sort the mail according to their route at the average of 800 letters per hour. Machines at the Plant where the mail is trucked to are capable of sorting letters at up to 36,000 letters per hour. Not only do they sort to the carrier, but also sort the mail in route order so that the carrier does not have to sort it. This has resulted in huge savings. The trucks are running the routes to and from the POs to the Plant so there is little extra transportation costs involved. As for the employees, they are for the most part dedicated and caring. Do they have some bad apples? Sure, but show me a business that doesn't. In an effort to reduce costs, the workforce has been reduced by about 200,000 employees through retirements and buyouts. I could write volumes on this subject, but hope this clarifies some issues. No haters please.

That was a good post japody. I didn't appear to be a bunch of craps from a Google search. I respect that. Please let it be known I was on a rant. I would never insult anyone who does their job well. The postmaster at the local post office, actually filled the forms out for me. Eliminating my dumb a$$ from screwing it up. The drones at the Killeen tx. Copper mountain post office. Screwed it up, didn't care and were rude and uncaring. As postmaster how would you deal with employee s like that? Respectively Fenceman.

 

[Japody]

The actions of the employees are a direct result of the standards that are set for them. As a Postmaster, I let my employees know what was expected. Employees were recognized for conducting themselves accordingly. Employees that did not do as instructed were also recognized! As a customer, if you encounter an employee that was not customer friendly, let the Manager or Postmaster know. You can ask to speak to them directly or, you can call 1-800-275-8777 and file a complaint. Once a complaint is received, the Postmaster or Manager must respond to the customer within 24 hours. This is monitored and tracked to make sure it happens. As far as their asking you to drop the Address Change card in the mail, the reason is that it goes to the processing Plant and is read by high speed computers. The information is then downloaded into a national database. If you live in Osh Kosh and move to Woebeegon, a letter mailed in New York will be automatically routed to Woebeegon. Or at least that's the way it's supposed to happen.

 

[houstoncutter]

Let me stir the pot, wife is retired from postal service. So I have some of her input . Biggest problems, affirmative action and unions. Said she didn't know if new hires had to take civil service exam but she did years ago. So here is example of ignorance . You get extra points added to you exam score if you fell into certain catagories. You got credit for each catagory you fulfilled . So here goes: your a white guy with a good score , most likely you don't get hired. Your a minority, female, ex military, hurt while in service, lesbian with a lousy score.... Come on down you got the job!!!!!!

Have no fear your union will back you up no matter what you do. Here in Dayton a few years back they had pictures and witness's of a worker throwing mail in a dumpster. He was caught 3 seperate times and finally after the 3 rd time they were able to fire him. So should their be any surprise about the work force , and keep in mind, some of
management comes out of this genetic pool.