Tick borne diseases...Alpha Gal Allergy

farmerjan

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For anyone who has read what are you eating today, a post by @kenny thomas on gluten/wheat allergies, and lists of RESTRICTIONS of foods that can trigger this to flare up.... prompted me to comment on another "food allergy" .... Alpha gal.... a mostly tick borne disease/allergy to red meat and other things produced by mammals... including Dairy products...

Like any other farmer I know, we get ticks on us... it's in the nature of the job being around the animals, in grasses, all that... and some get attached... Have had dozens over the years... You get them off as soon as you find them...

Then came the big deal with Lyme disease... naturally, being from Conn... it became prominent and well known... my mom and son have both had it... mom in Conn, son here in Va... recurring bouts for many years. I have been lucky, never seemed to have any after effects from those nasty disgusting ticks...

Then this past spring, May, I had a couple ticks attached.... found after work on the tractor raking hay and such... took them off... same ole same ole.... Then I noticed a BIG typical BULLS EYE rash... scared me... weekend so went to the urgent care as I know that antibiotics as soon as you find it can stop the Lyme bacteria gets too bad...... kill the bacteria... and it takes some serious antibiotic treatment.. Gave me 2 weeks and said go see PCP but that it was probably nothing... too serious to worry about... FIRST RED FLAG...
Called PCP first of the week, they could see me in 3 weeks... after telling them what and why... figured if I was on antibiotics no big deal.....
Went in, did some blood work for Lyme... then wanted to do all this other "well care stuff" since I don't go to drs.... I agreed to some things... non-invasive.... but told them that I was having more headaches, and feeling more run down.... they said it was partly my overweight... according to the chart I am borderline obese according to the charts... Yes I am way overweight, but I still got around pretty good... then said my BP was high anywhere from 127/76 to 155/84 ... and wanted me to go on bp medicine... I said absolutely NOT... did a bunch of blood work for other stuff... low Vit D, B vitamins, magnesium... so went on some supplements.. all good... bone density test... borderline osteo but not disastrous... ....
Lyme comes back negative, so she blows it off...
Felt run down all summer, tired out... and back ached all the time still.. had a rash on my left ankle (total replacement 2020) and itchy lower back...
Always felt like I had a cold... some congestion, always clear "runny nose".... and cough.

Finally in late Sept., went back for 3 month check up... same complaints but now I am more out of breath than I used to be, no stamina... back ache all the time... and intermittent bouts of explosive diarrhea that I did not keep track of at first....I keep saying this all started with symptoms right after that bulls eye rash... I said, look, I have been researching the tick bite diseases... and I have all the symptoms of Tularemia except the fever (used to be called rabbit fever as people who used to hunt rabbits would get it from exposure to blood when killing rabbits, or ticks or fleas off rabbits on to people)...and all she could focus on was the "no fever" as not having the first common symptom... or I said what about ehrlichiosis.... many of the same type symptoms... oh that's not common in this area, more up north in PA and New England.... ordered more blood tests for Lyme, and Tularemia, and Alpha Gal.... started in on how I need to have a colonoscopy.... sent me for an EKG.... everything normal...

Then we got busier on the farm, late hay , corn chopping, calving fall group...company from Conn to visit... and something that the friends from Conn said really stuck with me... her dad got real sick, hospital, and almost died before they diagnosed Ehrlichiosis.... he walks for exercise ..... so I called and asked if there were any results back not long after the blood work... said no to the Lyme, but not everything was back yet... Tularemia takes time to culture... sid they would call me... and then like I said, we got busy. I found myself more and more tired out, run down... then I started having more bouts of coughing and shortness of breath and diarrhea... and paid attention... it seemed it was when I ate deep fried food like FF .... getting quick meals at Wendy's or DQ on my way to test cows and such... blamed it on the greasiness of the FF or onion rings...
Got sicker and sicker. and felt like I had a bad flu/cold without the fever/hot/cold chills... just the backache, that I can barely pick up a 5 gal bucket half full of water...
Had another 3 month scheduled "check up" and went to that a couple weeks ago... I am so worn out, sick, weak that it hurts to do most anything... clear mucous nose running... not like a sinus/typical cold bug... I called the dr office a couple days before, said that I was not coming for a 3 mo check up again, but was coming because I felt like I might have walking pneumonia.... since I was already scheduled...

She sent me for x-rays, because I said that I couldn't lay down and sleep because I felt like I was going to suffocate or drown, cough constantly.... then she asked if I had asthma as a child, how bad was it.... ???? WHAT are you talking about.... I never had asthma as a child... but that explains the shortness of breath, not getting "enough air"....
Then she said you didn't follow up on the allergy tests, and I said no, I didn't go have any allergy tests, and you never called me to tell me I needed to have some and the call I got from some company that said they wanted to schedule allergy tests wouldn't tell me anything else; I never heard from you so wasn't going to just give out information and schedule any tests without your direction... she said well the alpha-gal came back positive... way out of range... so I wanted to have more allergy tests done... AND I PRACTICALLY LOST IT.... 3 months they had these results, could not be bothered to call me and leave a message at least.... they didn't have the results when I called shortly after the dr visit in late Sept.... but do they NOT CARE????? I have been suffering for 3 more months, real sick, weak, worn out exhausted... FOR NOTHING???
I had a bit of a sinus infection, some inner ear fluid, and some bronchial issues, so put me back on an antibiotic.... but said I needed to see what I could tolerate with the alpha gal ....
REALLY?????

In the meantime, I jumped on the Alpha Gal thing... causes, reactions, symptoms, everything...Cut out all red meat that day... didn't realize that the dairy was a big deal... anything mammalian sourced.. so a couple days of milk and stuff and then cut it all that I could possibly think of... Researched it and talked to a dairy farmer friend who's brother in law was just diagnosed in Dec because of a rash and hives that would not clear up on top of the nausea and other things...

Found online research on clinics, and called one that is a couple hours away... Left them a message and they said they would call back next day.. it was after hours... And bright and early at 8:15 the next morning they called... and spent an HOUR with me on the phone... they gave me an appointment within a 10 day time frame... weather permitting it will be this Monday ..... will do the SAAT treatment that @SmokinM mentioned...

Had no idea that it was sooo Prevalant.... it's a real B%$#& to deal with... and the more sensitive to it, the worst... because BOVINE and other mammal derived products are used in everything....
I am a beef farmer, that works in the dairy industry, and drinks milk and eats milk products like they are going out of style... this has been a real miserable 2 weeks....
BUT at least there is a "REASON" ... none of this "you're getting older" crap.... like after 70 you are supposed to become the frail failing little old lady that can barely get around and not do anything that taxes your energy....

Hoping to get a handle on it and start to feel better.... Spring calving starts in March... then before you know it we will be in the hay fields...

Anyone else?????? Experiences, thoughts????
 
Sounds like you are having a rough trot Jan. Doctors are a very frustrating breed, unless you fit neatly into one of their pigeon holes you are stuffed. I get an automated message from "HotDoc" their booking app whenever I have any tests done saying the results are in and your doctor would like to see you to discuss the results, I make an appointment to see him and go in and sit down and say nothing, he eventually says what can we do for you today, I say I dunno, you called me, I didn't call you, well that flusters him he tries to make out he is on top of things then. Of course nothing of importance showed up in the tests.
Get better soon Jan.

Ken
 
I dodged a bullet when I got STARI disease: Southern Tick Associated Rash Illness. Caused by the Lone Star tick and symptoms are similar to Lyme disease. The most common after-effect is Alpha Gal, and fortunately, I didn't end up with it. But I have a good friend that has Alpha Gal and his diet for meat is primarily venison and pork. Doxycycline helps with the symptoms of both Lyme and STARI but won't do anything for Alpha Gal.

I hate that you're going through this! Hopefully you'll find some relief soon.
 
Terrible, between ticks, mosquitoes, chiggers and other insects being outdoors farming can be dangerous. Hope you get to feeling better Jan. I get several insect bites a year but found only one tick on me in years. I have read some people they don't like the smell of. My dog is a tick magnet until I treat him.
 
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Permethrin is the best tick defense I’ve found. I soak all my farm jeans in a 0.5% permethrin solution every month or two during tick season.

So you trade off the possible tick borne illnesses for possible kidney/liver/brain damage and cancer from the permethrin.

Not sure which is worse. Ha
 
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Sounds like you are having a rough trot Jan. Doctors are a very frustrating breed, unless you fit neatly into one of their pigeon holes you are stuffed. I get an automated message from "HotDoc" their booking app whenever I have any tests done saying the results are in and your doctor would like to see you to discuss the results, I make an appointment to see him and go in and sit down and say nothing, he eventually says what can we do for you today, I say I dunno, you called me, I didn't call you, well that flusters him he tries to make out he is on top of things then. Of course nothing of importance showed up in the tests.
Get better soon Jan.

Ken
You hit it square on the head... you gotta fall into their little pigeon hole... and anything they can do, tests ordered, that makes money for the "system"...
 
Terrible, between ticks, mosquitoes, chiggers and other insects being outdoors farming can be dangerous. Hope you get to feeling better Jan. I get several insect bites a year but found only one tick on me in years. I have read some people they don't like the smell of. My dog is a tick magnet until I treat him.
Wish I had the "anti-tick" smell... might have kept a few people away I didn't want to deal with too over the years !!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: 🫣🫣. My cats had more ticks than you could count 2 years ago...
 
Use ivermectin
I do use it ... but are you saying as a treatment for it??? Or preventitive for ticks??? I "accidentally" would spill some of the cattle wormer on me about once a week during all the covid crap.... never got it... never took any "vaccine shot" either... Now have the pills for it... haven't researched it for use with alpha gal... but if taking it, regular during the season will help to keep the ticks off... I'm all for it...
 
Sounds like you've had a rough go of it lately. Doctors are terrible about not getting back with you these days. I've been going to the Dr for some liver issues and they have an app that let's me see my blood work results before the Dr does. I'm no expert but can use Google lol. You might see if they offer the app. As you said if you don't fall in their "Pigeon hole" they don't have time for you. Hope you get it figured out soon.
 
Sounds like you've had a rough go of it lately. Doctors are terrible about not getting back with you these days. I've been going to the Dr for some liver issues and they have an app that let's me see my blood work results before the Dr does. I'm no expert but can use Google lol. You might see if they offer the app. As you said if you don't fall in their "Pigeon hole" they don't have time for you. Hope you get it figured out soon.
There's a site to go on, but have had issues with it, and they even admitted they have some issues with it at the office.... SO.... JUST take the time and CALL.... that's supposed to be part of the patient dr relationship thing....
 
I do use it ... but are you saying as a treatment for it??? Or preventitive for ticks??? I "accidentally" would spill some of the cattle wormer on me about once a week during all the covid crap.... never got it... never took any "vaccine shot" either... Now have the pills for it... haven't researched it for use with alpha gal... but if taking it, regular during the season will help to keep the ticks off... I'm all for it...


I was thinking the same as I was out cow watching. It's a parasite "infection". I don't think it will keep ticks off of you, cows get them. Internally is something else completely. May want to look into febendazole. Also a anti parasite with amazing results through testimonial...
Or chew tobacco at the very least😉

Reason I think this way is because I had similar symptoms (for a couple years)and I injested Ivermectin not to long ago but didnt know until my kidneys hurt. Things changed rapidly after a couple days.
 
So you trade off the possible tick borne illnesses for possible kidney/liver/brain damage and cancer from the permethrin.

Not sure which is worse. Ha
Can you share any studies showing the health risks of permethrin? In all the studies I’ve seen purporting to show such, the permethrin was either administered topically at a high dose or orally, neither of which is how I use permethrin. I soak my clothes in a 0.5% solution then let them air dry before wearing them, and I wear nitrile gloves while handling the wet clothing. I don’t doubt that there may be negative health consequences to long term, low dose skin exposure to permethrin (nothing is truly risk free), but I haven’t actually seen any convincing studies.

Ultimately it’s a question of the devil you know vs. the devil you don’t. I know that my farm is crawling with thousands of ticks during the warm months and that some of those devils carry alpha-gal (my main concern since Lyme disease isn’t common here). I know multiple people in my immediate area who suffer from alpha-gal syndrome. I don’t know what the long term health consequences of permethrin exposure may be. If more/better information comes out on permethrin risks, I’ll re-evaluate my choice, but for now I’m sticking with permethrin.
 
All I know is my Dr mentioned some study with permerthrin and mice after he had a patient with liver and kidney failure with no other explanation than he was a logger who had been soaking his cloths for like 50+ years.

Thinking that you can soak your cloths in any pesticide and wear them around all day without any side effects is a head scratcher.
 
All I know is my Dr mentioned some study with permerthrin and mice after he had a patient with liver and kidney failure with no other explanation than he was a logger who had been soaking his cloths for like 50+ years.

Thinking that you can soak your cloths in any pesticide and wear them around all day without any side effects is a head scratcher.
Sounds like he had a bit of age to him as well.

Ken
 
Sounds like you've had a rough go of it lately. Doctors are terrible about not getting back with you these days. I've been going to the Dr for some liver issues and they have an app that let's me see my blood work results before the Dr does. I'm no expert but can use Google lol. You might see if they offer the app. As you said if you don't fall in their "Pigeon hole" they don't have time for you. Hope you get it figured out soon.
Drs have no excuse for not getting back to you when something shows up in tests. They have sophisticated patient management software that is more than capable of alerting them to an anomoly. I think they just don't know how to use it. My doctor is going to get RSI in his index finger that he uses scrolling through my history instead of using the search function, it is painfull to watch. The recalls I get are just from their booking app and is a blanket recall for any tests that are done, it is more about bums on seats in the waiting room than a service to me. I suspect they get a fee for any appointment made via the app. It is a bit like the little boy calling wolf.

Ken
 
All I know is my Dr mentioned some study with permerthrin and mice after he had a patient with liver and kidney failure with no other explanation than he was a logger who had been soaking his cloths for like 50+ years.

Thinking that you can soak your cloths in any pesticide and wear them around all day without any side effects is a head scratcher.
That patient must have been a real early adopter. Permethrin was first made commercially available 48 years ago and didn’t see widespread use as a tick repellent until the early 1990s.

If this is the study your doctor mentioned, the permethrin was administered orally to rats for 90 days. Does the liver and kidney damage observed from drinking permethrin for a few months mean permethrin will also cause similar damage through long term skin contact? Maybe…maybe not. Oral and transdermal routes are very different. What is toxic via one may be harmless via the other.

I acknowledged that there likely are harmful side effects to permethrin, but no one seems to have a very good idea what they actually are or how severe they are. The abundance of evidence (decades of use at low concentration as a clothing-applied insect repellent and at high concentration for treatment of lice and scabies) points to permethrin being pretty safe IMO. It’s the only thing I’ve found that will reliably repel ticks, but to each his own.
 
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