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This bull is throwing good calves with no problems and 60-75# calves. What are your thoughts on him? I can buy his son from a friend for a good price if he pans out. Bull calf is only 2 weeks old, so too early to tell.
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I know the pic isn't the best, but I didn't want to get closer since the bull doesn't know me. He has a good temperment with his owners tho
 
Where do you see shortfalls, because I don't have an eye like you all do. I would like to see more rump on him myself, but is there more I'm missing
 
When you say "throws good calves" what are you referencing? That bw is really good do they grow well?
 
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For the sake of being brief, there is a whole lot more to bull breeding than simply selecting a young bullcalf from a bull who throws good looking calves.
 
ALACOWMAN":7lr582l7 said:
straight rear legs,, poor structure.. very little muscling
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Walk me thru this please so I can learn something..his legs are too straight and need more angle at the hock? Poor structure I don't get at all. Little muscling could very well be one of 2 things. Heat, and he isn't getting enough grass right now if you ask me. I've seen him I'm much better form, and what is in the picture isn't it.

Knersie, I agree. Not knowing what I'm looking for or at makes it difficult. Any bull I get would be used on heifers and cows for terminal calfs or salebarn calfs.
Very very few retained
 
he's not in such poor shape to express muscle...my last bull was in the mountains with two other bulls. not in the best condition. but still had muscling , theyll loose fat but should still show definition of muscling unless their emaciated
 
Ok, I agree with that. Man, it sure would be helpful if someone could compile pictures of good bulls vs bad bull showing the differences...good top lines vs bad, bad hocks vs good, good depth, bad depth, etc. There seems to be a lot of variation between good and bad.
 
The bull lacks set in both the hocks and the shoulders, as well as being open shouldered. That is as (if not more) likely to cause calving problems as heavy birthweight. The bull may be suffering from heat and lack of grazing, but he is very light muscled, short hipped, light boned and thin topped. All of the before mentioned make him less than the ideal candidate for siring terminal calves for the feedlot. The bull is still 50% of every calf he sires and the less maternal power you have the more bull power is required to offset that.

Rather go to a reputable breeder, explain your needs and wants and be upfront about how much you can afford and see if you can't work something out, most breeders will bend over backwards to help someone out as it is very good marketing.

A cheap bull may very well turn out to be the most expensive mistake you'll ever make.
 
Knersie, ill look into that. I'm just leery of anyone trying to sell me something if I don't know enough about the product.
Alacowman..that's a fine looking bull.
 
hooknline":3fh2ebch said:
Knersie, ill look into that. I'm just leery of anyone trying to sell me something if I don't know enough about the product.
Alacowman..that's a fine looking bull.
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More reason to go to a reputable breeder!
 
hooknline":2mxfa6a5 said:
Yes, they come easy, not too big and not small, and grow well.
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The difficult business of beef production incorporates many facets of learning - one of which is the explicit language, or rhetoric, of explanation and understanding of terms. The general expressions such as 'easy' or 'too big' or 'too small' or 'grow well', or 'good' - or even "- - -'throw good calves' -" are really not specific enough in describing details of phenotype or genetics for a reader or viewer to comprehend. This is not a criticism - just a comment.

Here are a few links to help you relate to the above comments. There are also many links on the Internet to demonstrate these same ideas in communicating your ideas of individual cattle to other people. We all need to be able to speak the same language and be on the same page in order to help our understanding of each other.

http://www.beefimprovment.org/factsheets.html
http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/ansci/beef/as1091w.htm
http://www.noble.org/AgLivestock/Heterosis/index.html
http://www.angus.org/performance/framescore.html
http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/beef/400-795/photos1-9.html
AND
Go to "Dogpile.com" (without quotes) and type in subject box "An Analysis of Beef Cattle Conformation" You will find a multiple source of information links at this site.

DOC HARRIS
 
Thanks Doc, looks like I got some reading to do. And thanks all for your input. I got lots of learning to do
 
I'm starting to see what you all are talking about. Now its making sense to me. And Doc, don't worry, I didnt take your comments as being critical of me.
 

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