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[rgv]

KSDK - A crash involving dozens of horses shut down part of westbound Interstate 44 in Franklin County Wednesday morning.

Investigators say the driver of a trailer veered off the road and into the median. The truck overturned about 3:30 a.m. near Sullivan. Even at 10 a.m., the westbound lanes remaind closed and traffic was still backed up for miles.

A woman riding in the truck went to the hospital with minor injuries.

An animal response team is helping get injured horses out. 41 horses were in the trailer. At least 15 horses were killed in the accident or were euthanized at the scene.

Workers built a temporary holding pen on the highway, then loaded the animals onto trailers.

The horses were being taken to a slaughter house in northern Illinois.

A few weeks ago, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to ban the slaughter. Click here to read more about that ban. There are a handful of horse slaughter houses in the U.S., and the meat is often shipped to other countries, where the horses are eaten. 88,00 horses or other equestrian animals are slaughtered each year in the U.S.

 

[dj]

Anybody have any idea when the last horse burger was sold in the USA? Or if it ever was offered for sale as food.

Myself I don't see the reason for the uproar. If someone wants to eat them and somebody is willing to grow that product, so be it. That's their business, free enterprize and all.

 

[donnaIL]

I saw it on the news also. 4 horses dead and others were euthinised at the scene..I heard at least 20 walked off. The horses were being taken to some holding facility by animal control. It sounded like they were taking them.

My question would be, what about the owner of the horses and the money he expected from the sale. Will he get that even though it sounds his horses were seized. The media would not substanciate that the horses were headed for slaughter, only that they suspected that.

I don't believe horses should be classified as "pets". I do not own any horses but I believe they are stock and treated as such. Pets are not agriculutral and so therefore do not get tax deductions. Also with a large amish population in this state (who dont pay taxes anyway!) I would definately say their horses are not pets.

 

[msscamp]

My question would be, what about the owner of the horses and the money he expected from the sale. Will he get that even though it sounds his horses were seized. The media would not substanciate that the horses were headed for slaughter, only that they suspected that.

I'm not sure about the live ones, but I believe the trucking companies insurance will pay fair market value for the dead horses - at least that is the way it works for cattle. If the live ones are seized by animal control, then the owner is likely SOL. That is unless, because the accident was directly responsible for them being seized, he can somehow collect from the trucking company. That sounds a little unlikely to me, but stranger things have happened!

 

[chrisy]

I like horses and help care for some for a friend. but whats wrong with them being used as food, if that is what takes your fancy no different to eating any farm animal as long as it is humainly slaughtered, i.e I don't mean the domestic kind cat or dog.

 

[aplusmnt]

I say let them eat horse, cat, dog whatever someone wants to eat. I have no desire for either, but animals are animals. Unless there is a reason the meat would not be safe for consumption. Isn't like horses, dogs or cats are extinct or anything.

Friend of mine is dating a Korean, Vietnamese woman (one of those countries I forget) he was joking one day and asked her if she ever ate dog. She said with a straight face, yes. that it was alright. She said if you are hungry you will eat anything.

Maybe they could turn them stray dogs at the dog pound into Government meat, to go with the Government Cheese :lol: Help feed the homeless and Lazy.

 

[Crowderfarms]

Maybe they could turn them stray dogs at the dog pound into Government meat, to go with the Government Cheese :lol: Help feed the homeless and Lazy.

Aplus, you know better than that! The homeless and lazy, would insist their meat be CAB!

 

[Jogeephus]

I don't believe horses should be classified as "pets". I do not own any horses but I believe they are stock and treated as such. Pets are not agriculutral and so therefore do not get tax deductions. Also with a large amish population in this state (who dont pay taxes anyway!) I would definately say their horses are not pets.

Why do they not pay taxes?

 

[aplusmnt]

Maybe they could turn them stray dogs at the dog pound into Government meat, to go with the Government Cheese :lol: Help feed the homeless and Lazy.

Aplus, you know better than that! The homeless and lazy, would insist their meat be CAB!

Yea I had a brain fart there. Nothing but the best for them. Sad thing is it is so true. Friend of mine was a manager of a grocery store, said you can always tell the food stamp people. They have their carts filled to the top with name brand cereal, steaks, and no generics products.

 

[Crowderfarms]

That's how a lot of em' got thata way. Ribeye dreams, on a Baloney budget.

 

[Crowderfarms]

I don't believe horses should be classified as "pets". I do not own any horses but I believe they are stock and treated as such. Pets are not agriculutral and so therefore do not get tax deductions. Also with a large amish population in this state (who dont pay taxes anyway!) I would definately say their horses are not pets.

Why do they not pay taxes?

The one's North of here pay Property Taxes, and Sales Taxes.

I don't know about income taxes.I believe they call themselves a Church.

 

[chrisy]

Maybe they could turn them stray dogs at the dog pound into Government meat, to go with the Government Cheese :lol: Help feed the homeless and Lazy.

Aplus, you know better than that! The homeless and lazy, would insist their meat be CAB!

Crowder it could be CAB....Chow Chow And Bulldog ;-) :roll: :lol: :lol:

 

[Dusty Britches]

The media would not substanciate that the horses were headed for slaughter, only that they suspected that.

That's the media for ya'. They make up what they don't know the answers to, so that they can influence how people will react.

Another PRIME example - T.Owens "attempted" sucide. One of the early reports said that after police showed up, TO popped 2 more pills. Then, the report was he was passed out when the police showed up. Then the report was that he had taken 30+ pills at once. Then the report was that he really only took 2 and became groggy (side effect??) and he wasn't trying to take his own life.

In the rush to be the first to report, the media makes stuff up. Where I come from, that is lying.

 

[Dave]

There is a small horse slaughter plant north of Seattle. A friend of mine buys for them. I have eaten horse steak that he brought home. It isn't bad. Better than some things I have eaten.
I don't know when the last horse meat was sold in this country but my Dad says that during WWII they were rationing meat but you could get all the horse meat you wanted without a ration coupon.
Dave

 

[chrisy]

There is a small horse slaughter plant north of Seattle. A friend of mine buys for them. I have eaten horse steak that he brought home. It isn't bad. Better than some things I have eaten.
I don't know when the last horse meat was sold in this country but my Dad says that during WWII they were rationing meat but you could get all the horse meat you wanted without a ration coupon.
Dave

that was the case over here to, my Dad told me that horse meat, fish and chips (french fries) were never on ration coupons. it was to help keep up morale.

 

[peg4x4]

I'v never been hungry enough to eat horse,dog,cat,rat,or possem(thank You) Hope never to be..But you never know what's in the future,so,I'll never say never,just I hope not..Oh,had to raise my kids on foodstamps,and was very grateful for them..Doubt you'd have found name brand stuff in my basket,but I now work at a grocery store,and I do see that.Tho not a much as you'd think..

 

[donnaIL]

I don't believe horses should be classified as "pets". I do not own any horses but I believe they are stock and treated as such. Pets are not agriculutral and so therefore do not get tax deductions. Also with a large amish population in this state (who dont pay taxes anyway!) I would definately say their horses are not pets.

Why do they not pay taxes?

My understanding is they do not believe in taxes per their religion. Also they do not comply with educations requirements (truancy) because of religion and they do not reconize registration for the draft requirements...same reason. There is a large amish population in Arcola IL, and I learned much of this information throught tours of the area. The people do raise cattle and have seen them at sale barns in the area. It appears the "freedom of religion" when in a sect can possibly help a persons prosecution of certain legal issues.

Also while I do not want to eat a horse..I do not think horses should be reclassified from livestock to pets. It appears to me that government is always making new laws and that they want to make "horses" pets. In my area you have to register horses like dogs with a $50 per year fee. My reference to the amish people was that their horses are definently not pets...I have observed them pulling mowers, rakes, bales, corn pickers and not to mention being their mode of transportation.

In a drought year maybe this horse farmer could not feed his horses thence sent them to slaughter. I agree with the previous statement that he is probably SOL except for the drivers insurance. What would happen if a semi turned over with cattle in it, I think not the same but who knows. Sorry so long. Donna

 

[msscamp]

What would happen if a semi turned over with cattle in it, I think not the same but who knows. Sorry so long. Donna

I can't answer for any other state, but in Wyoming any time there is an accident with a semi hauling cattle any survivors are immediately sent directly to the packing house (I'm not sure why - I have yet to receive a clear answer), and then the trucking companies insurance cuts a check for the entire load to the cattle owner. There was a case a year or so back where a fully loaded semi crossed the railroad tracks immediately adjacent to Hwy 26, and failed to clear them prior to the next train coming through (coal trains come through where I live every 3-5 minutes, and this accident happened a few miles east of Torrington), I think because of traffic and an inexperienced driver. All surviving cattle were rounded up, loaded on another semi, and delivered to Packerland in Scottsbluff, NE - the closest packing house.

 

[Ryder]

I'v never been hungry enough to eat horse,dog,cat,rat,or possem(thank You)

If memory serves, possum and sweet taters make some pretty good eating if cooked by somebody that knows how to do it. Been a long time since I ate any.
Don't know about those other critters.

 

[kjones]

For anybody that thinks they have never eaten dog, cat,or rat, stop and ask your self if you really enjoyed that chinese dinner. :shock: