Table Of Knowledge

[cloud9cattle]

I was sitting around the table with some buddies i like to drink coffee with and this question came up. Can a commercial herd ever breed up to a registered herd through the use of ai? We all pulled out our phones and no one could seem to find the answer. I'd like to look smart with this answer tomorrow morning.

 

[J&D Cattle]

Depends on the breed and the percentage they allow to be registered.

 

[dun]

Don;t have to use AI necesarrily. All except angus(black) and Hereford allow breeding up so it is possible.

 

[cbcr]

Most breeds do still allow for the breeding up to purebred status.

In the beginning of many of these breeds, when animals were 7/8 they were considered purebred. Since many of these breeds have been around in the US since the 70's that percentage has gone up, some breeds have to be 31/32 minimum, (Charolais Association).

With our Composite Dairy Cattle Registry, with the breeds we represent, purebred is considered at the 87%, with breeds such as the Fleckvieh and the Montbeliarde, many of those animals, even in their native countries of Germany and France have some Holstein blood in their makeup.

With the Holstein Association, again when enough generations of pure Holstein breeding has been documented, animals can be entered into the herdbooks.

There are several breeds that their herd books are closed, the breeds that are used most often are the Angus and Hereford, the Galloway also has a closed herdbook.

With our Composite Beef Cattle Registry,we offer an affordable and efficient system to register cattle of any breed or combination of breeds. We register cattle that do not qualify for registration in a registry due to percentage of blood, the breed crosses, or the breed herdbook is closed or there is no registry.

 

[cloud9cattle]

Most breeds do still allow for the breeding up to purebred status.

In the beginning of many of these breeds, when animals were 7/8 they were considered purebred. Since many of these breeds have been around in the US since the 70's that percentage has gone up, some breeds have to be 31/32 minimum, (Charolais Association).

With our Composite Dairy Cattle Registry, with the breeds we represent, purebred is considered at the 87%, with breeds such as the Fleckvieh and the Montbeliarde, many of those animals, even in their native countries of Germany and France have some Holstein blood in their makeup.

With the Holstein Association, again when enough generations of pure Holstein breeding has been documented, animals can be entered into the herdbooks.

There are several breeds that their herd books are closed, the breeds that are used most often are the Angus and Hereford, the Galloway also has a closed herdbook.

With our Composite Beef Cattle Registry,we offer an affordable and efficient system to register cattle of any breed or combination of breeds. We register cattle that do not qualify for registration in a registry due to percentage of blood, the breed crosses, or the breed herdbook is closed or there is no registry.

Winning! Thanks you all!

 

[TexasBred]

Most breeds do still allow for the breeding up to purebred status.

In the beginning of many of these breeds, when animals were 7/8 they were considered purebred. Since many of these breeds have been around in the US since the 70's that percentage has gone up, some breeds have to be 31/32 minimum, (Charolais Association).

With our Composite Dairy Cattle Registry, with the breeds we represent, purebred is considered at the 87%, with breeds such as the Fleckvieh and the Montbeliarde, many of those animals, even in their native countries of Germany and France have some Holstein blood in their makeup.

With the Holstein Association, again when enough generations of pure Holstein breeding has been documented, animals can be entered into the herdbooks.

There are several breeds that their herd books are closed, the breeds that are used most often are the Angus and Hereford, the Galloway also has a closed herdbook.

With our Composite Beef Cattle Registry,we offer an affordable and efficient system to register cattle of any breed or combination of breeds. We register cattle that do not qualify for registration in a registry due to percentage of blood, the breed crosses, or the breed herdbook is closed or there is no registry.

Sounds like a wetback getting a SS card from the local printer in the alley for $1,000. Good to go.

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Psssssst, hey, TB, I don't think we're supposed to use that pejorative term for our good friends from the south anymore.

Just sayin'....

 

[TexasBred]

Psssssst, hey, TB, I don't think we're supposed to use that pejorative term for our good friends from the south anymore.

Just sayin'....

Yeah I know it's not PC but heck we been talking about redskins on another thread. :nod:

 

[HughesFamilyCattle]

I was sitting around the table with some buddies i like to drink coffee with and this question came up. Can a commercial herd ever breed up to a registered herd through the use of ai? We all pulled out our phones and no one could seem to find the answer. I'd like to look smart with this answer tomorrow morning.

Simmental....if they take a leak near a calf you can register it........

 

[Nesikep]

Hughes... That's why they look NOTHING like they did 60 years ago... They used to look like a Fleckvieh

 

[cbcr]

Sounds like a wetback getting a SS card from the local printer in the alley for $1,000. Good to go.

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but we are providing a service that is not available from other sources.

We have members in the US and Canada. Our registration papers have more forms of ID for cross referencing. In many cases, our papers have a much more complete pedigree than others offer. Some only show the sire and dam.

We don't just print papers, we research and try to make sure that information is accurate and correct. When we have submitted reports with our dairy registry to the USDA, we have discovered about a 15 - 20% incorrect information. On some breeds we have discovered numerous errors of wrong breed codes, incorrect dates of birth, incorrect parentage. We find some other organizations don't really care about the validity or accuracy. They just want your money.

Dr. Les Hansen, dairy geneticist at the University of Minnesota, applauds and supports our efforts. His comment to us is, “My observation is you are making remarkable progress in a short period of time in getting people to think more open-mindedly about allowing the accurate identification on cattle from the non-traditional dairy breeds in the U.S. as well as their crossbred offspring.”

When you look at most of the other breed registries (except Angus and Hereford), instead of sticking to representing THEIR breed, they chose to open up the doors and allow Angus breeding in, and doing so with no set standards except that to qualify for registration must have a minimum of 25% of that breed in order to be registered.

Why was no standard set such as 5/8 x 3/8? GREED, by allowing all amounts of Angus percentage it meant that more animals could be registered.

Hughes... That's why they look NOTHING like they did 60 years ago... They used to look like a Fleckvieh

There is a group in the US, the Fullblood Simmental Fleckvieh Federation http://www.fleckvieh.com

 

[Craig Miller]

Psssssst, hey, TB, I don't think we're supposed to use that pejorative term for our good friends from the south anymore.

Just sayin'....

Thats right. I think the new pc term for them is 'americans' :mad:

 

[TexasBred]

Psssssst, hey, TB, I don't think we're supposed to use that pejorative term for our good friends from the south anymore.

Just sayin'....

Thats right. I think the new pc term for them is 'americans' :mad:

Central Americans maybe.