Caustic Burno
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Good Read for the rookies and old hands alike.
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/beefpro ... troduction
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/beefpro ... troduction
Sustainable Beef Production.
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backhoeboogie
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I liked the Breed Selection. Its gonna tick off some folks.
CB- I have not been on this forum that long, but had the idea you weren't open to a site like Attra. I figured you were an old rut in the road. Guess I'll have to figure different now. I've been going to the Attra site for some time. Lots of good information. Should help the open minded people on the board trying to make a buck.Caustic Burno":2am2jwnc said:
Grippie
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Caustic Burno":323msj4m said:
I think the only reason that you read articles like this is so you can wear a big hat, play cowboy and talk big to your friends. ;-)
memanpa
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Grippie":22z5sker said:
big burr under your saddle fellow! CB probabally has forgotten more about cattle and ranching than you will ever know!
good read CB
Grippie
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memanpa":vs55qujw said:
I dont think he even owns any cattle. He just acts like he does so he can wear a big hat and talk big with his buddies.
Probably a Dr, Lawyer, or an Indian Chief.
KMacGinley
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Perhaps as time goes by you will share some of your cattle knowledge with us so we can determine whether you are just wearing a big hat and talking big for your friends. 
backhoeboogie
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Grippie":3tpqqtcj said:
No sir. I think he is a bit more valuable than that.
andybob
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When we believe we know so much that we cannot learn any more, it is time to give up what we are doing!
A good read Caustic, Alan Savory has been a long time inspiration, much of his early research being done in the vicinity of my origional farm.
A good read Caustic, Alan Savory has been a long time inspiration, much of his early research being done in the vicinity of my origional farm.
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Caustic Burno
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Grippie":2zmob4lx said:
Now thats funny come join our cattle discusssion game.
Producers interested in animals that can produce well and finish on forage should look for a bull that has been performance-tested on forage instead of on grain.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!! ;-)
A great read CB.
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!! ;-)
A great read CB.
aplusmnt
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S.R.R.":3hkpf0zr said:
Do they do such performance test anywhere? That is kind of along the lines of my thread on easy fleshing bulls that people A.I. to. I was wondering if there is any known bulls out there that have established themselves.
A forage only performance test would be some interesting info on bulls.
aplusmnt":492k5c1a said:
There both grain and forage tests here sponsored by Auburn Univ.
Are we buying bulls from a forage test just to find a bull that is more inclined to forage, and thus staying fatter on forage?
Or are we trying to find bulls whose calves do better on grain in the feedlot?
On a side note, we discussed feed efficiency at a field day not long ago and the consensus among the speakers was that Feed efficiency (grain) and Forage Efficiency were VERY highly correlated.
aplusmnt
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MikeC":7bec49bc said:
I wondered if this would be the case. If easy fleshing is easy fleshing. No matter if it is grass or grain.
Did they discuss how much frame size played into this versus Genetic make up? Not sure how they do them test, do they break the data up into frame sizes of bulls? I would think a 5.5 frame bull would be more efficient than say a 7 frame score one would be.
aplusmnt":3brqi2xf said:
Badlands would be more able to report on this than me. He is the Feed Efficiency Expert.
But I don't think frame score has anything to do with feed efficiency, except maybe at different intervals during the growing cycle, but not overall.
Biological functions, body heat, larger ruminal and intestinal area, play a part in feed efficiency. Usually, not always tho', the faster gaining animals are more efficient.
Smaller framed animals have an earlier growth curve, thus lay down fat earlier and become less efficient earlier because of the excess amount of energy it takes to produce fat.
Forage Efficiency (grazing) would be next to impossible to calculate. More work is done with grain because it can be measured readily.
The Chars on the forage tests here have done very well.
A friend of mine has a Char bull that gained about 5 lbs per day on a forage test and was given a plaque pronouncing him the record holder. He is not a small framed bull by any means.
An 8, I believe.
If easy fleshing is easy fleshing. No matter if it is grass or grain.
I think so. Great CB. IMO if you are to ever be profitable you better have cattle that can do weel with what mother nature gives them. That is how she made them, to eat grass. Grain supplement has its place. Sometimes it is overused and used incorrectly.
I think so. Great CB. IMO if you are to ever be profitable you better have cattle that can do weel with what mother nature gives them. That is how she made them, to eat grass. Grain supplement has its place. Sometimes it is overused and used incorrectly.
andybob
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Do they do such performance test anywhere? That is kind of along the lines of my thread on easy fleshing bulls that people A.I. to. I was wondering if there is any known bulls out there that have established themselves.
A forage only performance test would be some interesting info on bulls.[/quote]
We had a 'veld performance testing scheme' seperate to the feedlot performance scheme, the South Africans still run the same scheme. Medium frame cattle did best, and a pattern emerged in which the best performers, if put through a grain performance test proved to hae exeptional feed conversion, but a slower rate of growth when compared to the top feedlot tested cattle. Ability to do well off uninproved forage played an important role in my decision to use my chosen breed.
A forage only performance test would be some interesting info on bulls.[/quote]
We had a 'veld performance testing scheme' seperate to the feedlot performance scheme, the South Africans still run the same scheme. Medium frame cattle did best, and a pattern emerged in which the best performers, if put through a grain performance test proved to hae exeptional feed conversion, but a slower rate of growth when compared to the top feedlot tested cattle. Ability to do well off uninproved forage played an important role in my decision to use my chosen breed.
KMacGinley
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KMacGinley":xo2m10o8 said:Perhaps as time goes by you will share some of your cattle knowledge with us so we can determine whether you are just wearing a big hat and talking big for your friends.
Just to set the record straight, this was not addressed to CB.
C HOLLAND
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KMacGinley":1ec47ryl said:KMacGinley":1ec47ryl said:Perhaps as time goes by you will share some of your cattle knowledge with us so we can determine whether you are just wearing a big hat and talking big for your friends.
Just to set the record straight, this was not addressed to CB.
I am confused, it must be the OLD TIMERS kicking in again :roll:
