Started feeding cow herd

Neighbor wasn't happy with his alfalfa. After the first cutting he planted brown rib corn right into the alfalfa. Cut it when the corn was about waist high. It certainly yield pretty good. Just started feeding it, The cows are cleaning it up. I will have to ask him how it tested. After harvest he plowed it all down and planted fall trit.
 
My hay guy plants forage barley into a thin stand of alfalfa and it makes pretty good hay. Feeding some now to replacement heifers. Could get a couple more years out of your alfalfa. Or go oats and then plant millet as soon as the oats are off for a good second cut.
In in my rotation right now. I had 25 acres of that 45 in barley this year, and I had killed the other 20 acres this fall. The plan is to plant something that produced a fair amount of hay and then go back to alfalfa the following year. My agronomist is saying I should rotate out for two years before going back with alfalfa.
 
I still add fertilizer. I finally got a quote from the CO-OP today, so now I'm trying to compare apples to oranges. My alfalfa is starting to get in pretty thin, so I am rotating out 45 acres this next year. Still trying to figure out what I am going plant; barley, german millet, or japanese millet. I think I may get more hay out of the japanese millet, but I'm not really sure.
If you’re going to work it up I’d put in Cowboy Barley and/or Haymaker oats. Millet of any variety is unlikely to compare, from what I’ve seen and experienced.

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I would definitely plant just a cereal year one, then cereal over hay year two.
 
If you’re going to work it up I’d put in Cowboy Barley and/or Haymaker oats. Millet of any variety is unlikely to compare, from what I’ve seen and experienced.

Edit to add:
I would definitely plant just a cereal year one, then cereal over hay year two.
Seems oats are ready to harvest for hay by early July and on irrigated ground there would be time for a millet seeding to make a second cut. I have another friend who plants forage barley (beardless) and it gets a good regrowth after cutting for hay under irrigation, so could make a fair amount of late summer or fall grazing after having it.
 
Seems oats are ready to harvest for hay by early July and on irrigated ground there would be time for a millet seeding to make a second cut. I have another friend who plants forage barley (beardless) and it gets a good regrowth after cutting for hay under irrigation, so could make a fair amount of late summer or fall grazing after having it.
We don’t get time for such options up here, so not familiar with the things you can do with longer growing seasons. Interesting stuff tho.

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We don’t take oats for hay here, we take it as greenfeed, so wait until it is in soft dough stage to get maximum bulk.
 
First, I'd probably suggest that you potentially could "increase" the density of your manure coverage more so it looks more like "Silver's" than Dave's (more pats even closer together, by feeding MORE ANIMALS there, for a longer period of time), so that you don't end up with more sparsely spaced manure clumps, which turn into more sparsely spaced grass clumps.

Second, I'd probably suggest that maybe you're not achieving enough "rest & recovery time" between when the feeding, and then also by that feeding, the manure... has been applied, .................and when the grass is intended to be consumed. How long has it been between these events?

Third, I think that you'll find that as you move down this soil building, biology building path, this issue will become less and less of a concern, specifically BECAUSE you'll be accelerating the consumption rate of the soil micro-biome, to the point where those cow-pats just don't last nearly as long as they used to... As your soil biological populations explode, they also have to be being fed commensurately. THEY are what generate the plant available nutrients, through their "life-cycling"... living, consuming, and dying, ...at an ever increasing rate, and in ever increasing numbers. That turning over of "biological bodies" in the soil is what creates that really rich soil that the grass thrives on... (it's also what makes that really rich, "living soil" smell so sweet!).

The biological system wasn't designed to require US to break up those cow-pats. It was designed (by God) to function perfectly all on its own, as a "perpetual motion machine"! We just need to LET IT, and perhaps at times, once we understand how it functions, to "help it" (nurturing and keeping, Gen. 2:15), by intentionally providing more fuel, so that more biology can grow and function at a higher level. THAT is where livestock in the equation, ON THE LAND, and potentially bringing in organic matter (i.e.: in the form of hay and other feed for the animals, or other plant material, or compost, etc.) can really exceptionally ramp up the soil biological capacity. You could have absolutely nothing but pure granite rock hundreds of feet thick, and if you bring in hay, and let the animals consume it and poop and pee all over that rock you WILL be building soil right on top of that rock. If you just "house" the cattle on that rock with no bedding, and move them off and feed them elsewhere, you will be building soil there too, because they will be pooping and peeing and drooling, etc., all over that rock, when they are there..., your "soil building" just won't be as fast. And if you only "haul some manure onto that rock" from a feedlot someplace, you ALSO will begin building soil on that rock.

But the fastest way to build it will be to actually keep and feed those animals right there ON that rock..., because their living presence there is daily and continuously adding in biological components to that soil building process that just "bringing the animal waste" to it simply doesn't and can't do in the same way, and to the same level. Some of that added biology may only have the ability to be alive once it's been shed by the animal for a few hours... but because it was there, and continues to be there because the animals are LIVING there, it continues to be a part of that biological equation that's called "life". A part of that biological life that we've been called to "NURTURE"................... and to "KEEP".

THAT is why it can be so beneficial to be actually properly "housing and feeding" the livestock right there on the pastures that we want to grow. Anything less,.... is exactly that.......... "less".
Great post and thank you. We have actually impr0that spot a lot in the last few years and will continue as you suggested
 
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