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[Wewild]

Sometimes you don't have to wait in line.

Thank you Franke or which ever mod did the deed.

When I was growing up and took a second breath in college ... I had a professor that tried with all his might to sway the kids to his way of thinking when it came to a political party.

I asked him "what party was in office at the beginning of the major World Wars".

He cried partisan politics and turned us out.

It just comes down to it being life. Sometimes it comes down to being pigheaded.

 

[VanC]

Sometimes you don't have to wait in line.

Thank you Franke or which ever mod did the deed.

When I was growing up and took a second breath in college ... I had a professor that tried with all his might to sway the kids to his way of thinking when it came to a political party.

I asked him "what party was in office at the beginning of the major World Wars".

He cried partisan politics and turned us out.

It just comes down to it being life. Sometimes it comes down to being pigheaded.

The last post you made in the thread that got locked was right on the money. Wish I'd seen it sooner. I was trying hard to stay out of it, but I'm going to say now what I was thinking as I read it. It wasn't about the troops, or how much money they make. It was about taking another cheap shot at the President of the United States, which I find despicable. We are at war, like it or not; sometimes a little discretion is in order.

 

[Wewild]

Thanks.

sometimes a little discretion is in order.

I wonder what your wisdom has cost the dixie chicks.

 

[MillIronQH]

Has anyone bothered to ask the troops what they want? I'd bet they'd rather take a much smaller pay increase and more funding for the equipment and materials to do their jobs. In fact just increases in their allotments and benefits would probably make them happier. Or better yet quit making them pay income tax on their earnings.Z

 

[Wewild]

Has anyone bothered to ask the troops what they want? I'd bet they'd rather take a much smaller pay increase and more funding for the equipment and materials to do their jobs. In fact just increases in their allotments and benefits would probably make them happier. Or better yet quit making them pay income tax on their earnings.Z

Good points. We can alway talk about what if's.I think you can get the shitty end of the stick sometimes.

I wish my Dad and Mother didn't have to pay taxes on their retirement check. Some how that just doesn't make sense.

 

[Alice]

Has anyone bothered to ask the troops what they want? I'd bet they'd rather take a much smaller pay increase and more funding for the equipment and materials to do their jobs. In fact just increases in their allotments and benefits would probably make them happier. Or better yet quit making them pay income tax on their earnings.Z

Can't argue with that, Z. In fact, taking it a step further, anyone put in harm's way for the betterment of society...soldiers, policemen, firemen, paramedics, etc....they all deserve a break of some kind.

Alice

 

[Wewild]

Can't argue with that, Z. In fact, taking it a step further, anyone put in harm's way for the betterment of society...soldiers, policemen, firemen, paramedics, etc....they all deserve a break of some kind.

Alice

What about the folks that retired?

 

[Alice]

Can't argue with that, Z. In fact, taking it a step further, anyone put in harm's way for the betterment of society...soldiers, policemen, firemen, paramedics, etc....they all deserve a break of some kind.

Alice

What about the folks that retired?

Retirees from what, Wewild? Government retiree's that spent their lives putting themselves in harm's way...yes, I think they deserve a break.

Alice

 

[Wewild]

Retirees from what, Wewild? Government retiree's that spent their lives putting themselves in harm's way...yes, I think they deserve a break.

Alice

No. I would have been speaking of the rest. I think I made myself clear on "the harms way issue". If you need help ....arrow up some posts

The question was income tax on retired individuals and others.

 

[MillIronQH]

As far as recruitment incentives. Start out paying people for what they know and can do.

One of my best friend's son went into the Air Force a little over a year ago. He went thru basic and a couple of computer schools and then got a permenent assignment. The problem is that this fresh out of high school kid should have been teaching some of the classes. He's been building and programming computers since jr. high.

BTW I'm talking about Mike Franklin's son. And he was just notified about a month ago that his unit is scheduled of overseas movement this summer.Z

 

[Wewild]

As far as recruitment incentives. Start out paying people for what they know and can do.

One of my best friend's son went into the Air Force a little over a year ago. He went thru basic and a couple of computer schools and then got a permenent assignment. The problem is that this fresh out of high school kid should have been teaching some of the classes. He's been building and programming computers since jr. high.

BTW I'm talking about Mike Franklin's son. And he was just notified about a month ago that his unit is scheduled of overseas movement this summer.Z

I'm good with the hijack.

I struggle with why people I don't know die every day but yet still I wake up.

I don't know Mike Franklin but I will pray for his son and him and you.

 

[MillIronQH]

WeWild... He posts here sometimes. Mostly on Horse Related. Check out HR. 1st page, "Mike Franklin's Shire". It's toward the bottom of the page.

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers for Buddy. All of us are getting an early start on them.Z

 

[Horticattleman]

And remember, pay raise or not, our service is still an all voluntary service. When I joined the Corps, I don't even ever rember asking the recruiter how much I was gonna make. I was 17! I didn't care. I just knew that this Country needed good hard working young men to defend Her freedom. No matter what. And if that means getting shot at well so be it. If you are scared, stay at Mickey Dees. It can't always be someone elses son. And just in case your wondering, my Dad told me that with a tear in his eye when i told him I wanted to defend this country.

And don't doubt it for a minute, i think putting your life in harms way deserves the highest pay rate, but it aint a perfect world. You hear more squealing from the liberal left who have supplied the least bodies for ANY fight for freedom, than those actually defending it.

My biggest point is that i agree with Wewild. I saw it as just an excuse to jab the President. Most of the jabbers have never served a day in uniform so they will never understand the most important thing about it all.....it's more than just money, its pride. Its being able to stand up and say 'Yes ma'am I did my part.'


p.s. I hope they get a 50% pay raise. They can take way more money from me in taxes if it goes straight to military pay raises.

 

[Alice]

And remember, pay raise or not, our service is still an all voluntary service. When I joined the Corps, I don't even ever rember asking the recruiter how much I was gonna make. I was 17! I didn't care. I just knew that this Country needed good hard working young men to defend Her freedom. No matter what. And if that means getting shot at well so be it. If you are scared, stay at Mickey Dees. It can't always be someone elses son. And just in case your wondering, my Dad told me that with a tear in his eye when i told him I wanted to defend this country.

And don't doubt it for a minute, i think putting your life in harms way deserves the highest pay rate, but it aint a perfect world. You hear more squealing from the liberal left who have supplied the least bodies for ANY fight for freedom, than those actually defending it.

My biggest point is that i agree with Wewild. I saw it as just an excuse to jab the President. Most of the jabbers have never served a day in uniform so they will never understand the most important thing about it all.....it's more than just money, its pride. Its being able to stand up and say 'Yes ma'am I did my part.'


p.s. I hope they get a 50% pay raise. They can take way more money from me in taxes if it goes straight to military pay raises.

I guess I'm still haunted by the Viet Nam War...that was my generation. Then, serving in the military was not voluntary. And, as far as the liberal left supplying the least amount of bodies, I really don't know the political leanings of the ones that served in Viet Nam. Then, it didn't matter. When a young man reached the age of 18, he was eligible for the draft and it didn't really matter what his leanings were. And the draftee wasn't offered what area of the service he'd like to be placed in. He wasn't told, well, son, you can go into communications or learn this or that...he was sent to boot camp, handed a gun, and shipped to Viet Nam. And it really didn't matter if he was scared or not...he went. He had no choice.

And, when he came back, if he came back, he came back facing uncertainty as to how he was going to support himself and where he would fit in. And, if he came back injured either physically or mentally, God help him. And now, my generation of veterans are still facing uncertainty when what they were exposed to in Viet Nam, mentally and physically, is beginning to crop up because no one seems to want to take responsibility and offer them the help they need...so it's just denied. That's tough on those guys...it's like they're being denied that fact that they also gave up a lot, even tho they didn't volunteer to do it...even tho they were scared.

One war is no worse than the other...one war is no better than the other...and in General Sherman's words...War is He11. So's the aftermath. Yes, it makes me mad when there is quibbling over what should be paid to active duty and retired military. And, I'll admit my biggest fault of all...I can't seem to separate then from now.

Alice

 

[Horticattleman]

Ms. Alice I understand where you are coming from kinda. It is remembering the past that helps us learn for now. And I also am against a draft. i think we get much better fighting men and women out of volunteers. But let me tell you, I belong to several veterans groups and deal with ALOT of Vietman vets. Maybe 5 percent are bitter towards the American gov. for things it did, but 100% is bitter towards your generation for how they were treated when they got home. So if we are gonna be stuck in the past lets definitely not forget that.

 

[Alice]

Ms. Alice I understand where you are coming from kinda. It is remembering the past that helps us learn for now. And I also am against a draft. i think we get much better fighting men and women out of volunteers. But let me tell you, I belong to several veterans groups and deal with ALOT of Vietman vets. Maybe 5 percent are bitter towards the American gov. for things it did, but 100% is bitter towards your generation for how they were treated when they got home. So if we are gonna be stuck in the past lets definitely not forget that.

That's one of the things that I'm sorry I neglected to put in what I wrote. My daughter's father is a Viet Nam vet. Their treatment when they came home was wretched. I remember it all to well and am still ashamed of it.

Alice

 

[Frankie]

Retirees from what, Wewild? Government retiree's that spent their lives putting themselves in harm's way...yes, I think they deserve a break.

Alice

No. I would have been speaking of the rest. I think I made myself clear on "the harms way issue". If you need help ....arrow up some posts

The question was income tax on retired individuals and others.

Military retirees pay Federal income tax on their retirment pay. Some states give them breaks on state income tax.

 

[Frankie]

Has anyone bothered to ask the troops what they want?....

From the current Newsweek article about the search for the missing three soldiers:

"But most U.S. soldiers interviewed by NEWSWEEK have long since stopped insisting that their greatest mission is to bring peace and democracy to Iraq. More and more, they talk about their desire to simply protect their buddies, and to get everyone home alive."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18754290/site/newsweek/

 

[Wewild]

Retirees from what, Wewild? Government retiree's that spent their lives putting themselves in harm's way...yes, I think they deserve a break.

Alice

No. I would have been speaking of the rest. I think I made myself clear on "the harms way issue". If you need help ....arrow up some posts

The question was income tax on retired individuals and others.

Military retirees pay Federal income tax on their retirment pay. Some states give them breaks on state income tax.

Would that mean you agree or disagree with me?

 

[Wewild]

Has anyone bothered to ask the troops what they want?....

From the current Newsweek article about the search for the missing three soldiers:

"But most U.S. soldiers interviewed by NEWSWEEK have long since stopped insisting that their greatest mission is to bring peace and democracy to Iraq. More and more, they talk about their desire to simply protect their buddies, and to get everyone home alive."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18754290/site/newsweek/

I think that is what it usually comes down to when you and your buddies lives are on the line.

The objective of the war was to make us safer. It has been a long time since we have thought we were the big brother to the world.