Six year old bull value?

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I have two different neighbors who are selling off proven herd bulls this fall. Both are coming 6 year olds and move OK. What is a fair price in this situation? One wants me to make an offer, and the other wants $2800. I was considering weighing one of them and paying a $xxx premium over kill price?
 
callmefence":z8xsqgbw said:
Only if you're sure they are sound and no bad habits.
I see a six year old bull with good equipment for sale I think that's a fence jumping sob
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Don't most folks trade bulls every few years?
 
HDRider":wo8eetjd said:
callmefence":wo8eetjd said:
Only if you're sure they are sound and no bad habits.
I see a six year old bull with good equipment for sale I think that's a fence jumping sob
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Don't most folks trade bulls every few years?
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Yes for jumping the fence. ;-)
That was jokingly but there's a whole lot of truth in it.
 
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Lucky P stated awhile back... A bulls fertility starts to decline after 7 years of age. So depends on how long you want to use him... If he sires dandies, Id be inclined to gamble on him.. Couple of good replacement heifer crops would do the trick...probably a good health program --'might' --insure him...
 
ALACOWMAN":k5ocp6jf said:
Lucky P stated awhile back... A bulls fertility starts to decline after 7 years of age. So depends on how long you want to use him... If he sires dandies, Id be inclined to gamble on him.. Couple of good replacement heifer crops would do the trick...probably a good health program --'might' --insure him...
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Yes, looking at two heifers crops from a proven bull.
One passed a semen test 5 months ago and is up to date on shots. Other one was not tested but is up to date on shots also.
 
If you like the calves either or both have been throwing then a fair price is in the 2-2500 range or top kill price as has been stated. Kill bulls here are running $.85 to .95 / lb. Perhaps the semen quality goes down, we have had bulls for 8-10 years that only have gotten culled because they got an attitude or decided to go gallivanting to the neighbors. We seldom cull for poor breeding but have a few times. Mostly it is because of one wanting to be somewhere else all the time.

I would go with the one that was tested if you like the calves equally. The one thing is that you know what he is throwing so getting a couple of replacement heifer crops out of him is definitely worth going with an older bull.

Another thing to consider, is either one of them a "rough" breeder? Some bulls are just hard on cows, you really don't want one that will ride them into the ground, or jumps on a cow and just weighs her down. Some bulls are easy breeders and seem to hold their weight up off the cow better. Little things like that can make a difference.
 
True Grit Farms":i1d3cpn1 said:
You can buy good quality young bulls for $2,000 to $2,500 around here.
I can't see the benefits of buying a has been older bull.
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Perhaps these were high quality $6,000+ young bulls a few years ago and after seeing 3 of his neighbor's calf crops
he would like to add these genetics at a more affordable price. Top bulls end up in the slaughter pen too.
 
Older bull can handle more cattle than a yearling, and especially if you can see his heifers, I definitely can see the draw to a known older bull. I wouldn't be scared of a six yr old, at all. My old bull is 9, and I dread trying to replace him. He's just getting too big, and heavy like fj mentioned. Not very gentlemanly, in that he puts a lot of weight on a cow, and i've got some smaller 3 yr olds that are ready for a cow bull, just not that kind of weight. I would say a premium over kill of whatever you think is fair, 500?, on a semen and trich tested/known quality heifers and bw.
 
If you can see the heifers the older bull makes and you like them, that's a big plus.. Assuming he breeds properly, gentlemanly, and stays where he ought to, you can add great genetics at a good discount on price..
Someone must have liked my Limo bull I sold last month, they paid top dollar for him, $1.14/lb (CAD)... He was 5 years old. Meanwhile I got the bull I raised and sold to a friend back, also 5 years old, made great calves for him, and is very well mannered all around.. give him a shot for a year and see what he does in my herd.
 

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