Showing Black Herefords

[shellyrose]

I'm so glad I found this site. My father has been breeding Black Herefords for about 2 years now and we are looking for a way to generate interest in the breed. I thought maybe we might take our cows to some open shows. But I have no idea what to do...any ideas. I would be showing as an adult. I figure we'll do it as a family project. I don't know the first thing about how to get involved. Can anybody help or send me somewhere I can get info? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shelly

 

[jaydill]

I wouldn't bring that up. Most people on this board believe there is no such thing as a black hereford. There aren't any shows for them either.

He is correct. There is no class for the "Black Hereford" because it is not recognized. You will show as an AOB, when showing a steer. If the shows you go to have a commercial or crossbred class for heifers, than you will show as that.

 

[JTBullRider]

Well, it's true everybody has a big 'ol fit when you start talking Black Herefords...... same folks that forget Limmys used to only be red, and Chias- were all white back in the day. But anyhow..... one way to call attention to your "new" breed would be to introduce it to junior exhibitors through TCCA (Texas Club Calf Association). There are some sponsorship obligations and other costs you would have up front.... but it might be worth a try. There is a probation period and failure to meet certain standards will cause the breed to not be recognized after a trial period. Recent examples would be Braler (sp) which lost it's recognition and Star 5 which is currently in it's first year of being a recognized breed. You'd probably have to work to put some animals in the hands of kids wanting to show..... but you'll have better luck going this route, I believe than trying to introduce black Herefords anywhere else. Just my 2 cents. :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds to me a bit too much like 'black' Shorthorns.

 

[Lovell92]

shellyrose, dont get discouraged. As you probably know Black Herefords are pretty new breed and only time will help them.
You may want to email [email protected] for information about shows.

images like this asure me that you can show a Black Hereford if you find the right spot.

Also this is a quote from the ABHA website:

In 2003, Black Herefords recieved international breed designation by the National Association of Animal breeders.

Apperantly there is a breed called Black Herefords.

Good Luck!

 

[Chris H]

A lot of shows have an AOB, Any Other Breed, class. With registration papers you can show in the AOB, without papers you'd show in the crossbreed class.

I have a question about the name of the breed. They will never be allowed in the American Hereford Association, so there is no need to keep 'Hereford' in their name. Why not go with the bigger marketer of cattle in their makeup and call them 'Whitefaced Angus'? ;-)

 

[shellyrose]

Thanks for the input. I was pretty discouraged with the first three posts, but the rest have some good ideas. I think I'll try the Club Calf route and I'm going to write the association.

As far as calling them White-Faced Angus..they aren't Angus/Hereford cross. We only use the Angus/Hereford cross initially then we take that offspring and breed that back to a AHA registered red hereford. This makes a 7/8 Hereford. Our goal is to have a bull that will usually throw a black calf with Hereford markings. Look at the picture above. They are not Black Baldies. They have all the white markings of a Hereford with a black hide.

Eventually the Hereford Association will have to recognize them. The money is in black-hided cows. One of the big ranches in Texas has already expressed interest in breeding with Black Herefords. [/quote]

 

[shellyrose]

Ok, putting the controversy aside. I still am left with the question of how to get involved with showing an animal. I know nothing...how do I find shows, how do I prepare my animal...any ideas?

 

[Armadillo]

Maybe you should ask the black hereford association?

 

[cul8r]

If you are looking for open shows, I have never heard of any livestock shows that recognize Black Hereford as a breed and I don't know of any open shows for AOB or cross bred animals.

You will have to get your breed association to push for a black hereford breed and show at the livestock shows plus, you will have to have more people than just yourself showing them. Unless, they will let the black herefords show in the regular hereford show, but, since it is a different association I don't know if you can do it or not.

I would say to start with the TJLA, I think that it is about $4000 to get a breed set up, then you have to have 15 members participating or showing the breed. So you will probably have to loan out calves to kids to show.

Another idea to start with would be to allow kids to show them at TJLA shows as AOB's or allow kids to show them at county shows in a cross bred class. This would get them out and about so that people could see them and possibly become interested.

 

[Chris H]

Thanks for the input. I was pretty discouraged with the first three posts, but the rest have some good ideas. I think I'll try the Club Calf route and I'm going to write the association.

As far as calling them White-Faced Angus..they aren't Angus/Hereford cross. We only use the Angus/Hereford cross initially then we take that offspring and breed that back to a AHA registered red hereford. This makes a 7/8 Hereford. Our goal is to have a bull that will usually throw a black calf with Hereford markings. Look at the picture above. They are not Black Baldies. They have all the white markings of a Hereford with a black hide.

Eventually the Hereford Association will have to recognize them. The money is in black-hided cows. One of the big ranches in Texas has already expressed interest in breeding with Black Herefords.

Angus/Hereford first cross is 50% Herf. Angus/Hereford X Hereford makes a 75% (3/4) Hereford. It takes another cross of Hereford to get 7/8 Hereford. But it still isn't 100% Hereford and never will be, so no, the Hereford Association doesn't have to, and never will recognize them.
You mention they usually throw a black calf. Until you get your new breed homozygous black you really don't have anything other than a black baldy cross. Has your association set any standards for homozygous black? Do they have standards for polled/horned/scurred?

 

[Third Row]

The sad thing is those Black Hereford's are more Hereford than some of the "real" Hereford's (a.k.a. 1/4 to 1/2 Maine) sold by Black Hereford Ranch.

 

[JTBullRider]

I should have mentioned in my first post that the TCCA is part of TJLA (Texas Junior Livestock Association). Anyhow, I think it would be exciting to add a breed and like the other post mentioned, you have to have a minimum number of participants within a given period of time. There is some information about how to add a recognized breed in the rulebook on their site http://www.theshowbox.com You know, it just might be that the younger exhibitors would be more open minded about this thing. I would target this group first. Star 5s came out of nowhere and seem to be getting an okay start. Black Herefords could be the next rage. :lol:

 

[Third Row]

Before you go downing Kris and his program, look at what he is selling, club calf bulls, bred to throw hereford colored show steers.

Isn't that exactly what I said?

Just because he is raising bulls for club calves doesn't change the fact that he deliberately attempts to put Maine into steers that are supposed to be purebred Hereford.

The worst part is that somebody would claim it's okay because he is raising club calf bulls as if that give you a right to throw ethics out the window. Have we sunk so low that it's actually expected ethics will get thrown out the window when you are raising club calves?

 

[Third Row]

Excusing it doesn't make it right.

You can't change it as long as there are people willing to just accept it as 'politics'. Until people like you quit throwing ethics out the window because they want to win more than have their word mean something, that kind of stuff will continue to go on.

 

[Third Row]

Nope, honest people don't "get used to it and run with them". Honest people teach their kids that winning isn't the most important thing in the world and it's not worth lowering yourself so you can win easier than the kids who don't.

People who excuse it and have decided that winning is more important than standing for what's right are what is wrong with the club calf industry. White wash it all you want but you're just lowering yourself, you're not legitimizing unethical activity.

 

[msscamp]

Eventually the Hereford Association will have to recognize them.

I think you are dreaming in a major way - the AHA will never recognize Black Herefords! There is no such breed.

The money is in black-hided cows.

What exactly does this have to do with the AHA and their recognizing your so-called Black Herefords?

 

[Bez?]

INTERNATIONAL status awarded by a NATIONAL association - that in itself is a joke.

As for the International Herf Assoc's having to recognize this "cross breed". Not likely to happen in my life time.

All one has to do is read the rule book. The fact is the Herf Assoc does NOT allow breeeding up. Period.

Unlike ANY other breed association - this has been in place literally from the start - for this very reason. What other breeds have done is NOT important - this is what THE HERF Assoc has done.

This black mongrel was created by breeding up - a breaking of the rules.

By using lies and creating a PATENT - Christ! A patent! No breeding here - the breeders have fooled those who do not know into thinking this is a true line of cattle - when in fact it is an abberation that should not be allowed on the show line.

The Herf Assoc is the only org that sets this standard. It was done many generations ago to prevent ranch owning whores from b@astardizing the breed and following fads which in turn would dilute one of the last pure lines of cattle. Anyone who would actually cross a Herf with another animal and then call it a Herf - and at the same time going against the rules designated many hundred years ago - just - would sell their own children to make money.

You go show this animal at AOB shows. Call it a Herf? Nope. In fact it should be called a cross breed. Nothing more.

I will no loner post on this subject - but folks who promote a cross breed - no matter what their argument - are folks who cannot be trusted to tell the truth and cannot be trusted to sell a PURE animal - calling a cross breed pure is simply a lie they perpetuate to make money on the unsuspecting.

To promote a lie simply disgusts me.

Bez?

 

[farmwife]

Angus x Hereford = Baldies The only way to get a true black hereford is for the recessive trait to show up (i.e., polled cattle).

 

[Anonymous]

Off of black baldies.... what is a Star 5? I don't think I've heard of them. Can anyone post a picture?