SHF wonder video included

[oakcreekfarms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPy5xobV5ak

Wonder (pun intended) what everybody thinks. I think very highly of the bull, saw him sell and he is a true specimen of a bull. We thought enough of him that we flushed a very special cow to him last month. My excitement is growing as we move towards putting in eggs this next month.

He is out of M326 x L37, L37 has been a donor for Kevin and has produced amazing daughters over the years. L37 is a 512 out of an Interstate. This years lot 1 bull was out of a full sister to wonder, and I believe at least one full sister is scheduled to be flushed on his farm this year (it might be the same cow, I am not sure).

I have no interest in the bull, and won't get any kickback from this. Just wanted to point out a video of what I feel is a very special bull.

 

[Ned Jr.]

He's a thick looking bull. Well marked and lot of base width. He doesn't look like he's missed many meals. I liked him best when he was walking in the snow. At the end of the film when he's out of the snow he looks very weak in his pasterns.

 

[3waycross]

He's a thick looking bull. Well marked and lot of base width. He doesn't look like he's missed many meals. I liked him best when he was walking in the snow. At the end of the film when he's out of the snow he looks very weak in his pasterns.

Nice bull............Good point Ned.

 

[KNERSIE]

There is a lot to like about the bull, but soundness isn't negotiable. As Ned Jr. pointed out he has very weak pasterns and he is also pidgeon toed in the front to boot. Neither of these faults, especially the pasterns, will get any better with age.

 

[Jovid]

I "wonder" what he would look like if he wasn't on full feed and had only grass to eat trying to breed 40 cows?

 

[oakcreekfarms]

He believe he did do some natural service last year. The bull is only two so he won't be breeding 40 cows for a few years, but they certainly have kept him in good shape. I see no pigeon toe, I see a wide base bull and a wide rear quartered bull that walks with a wide stance. The pasterns do look loose, I believe they call them shock absorbing pasterns in horses.

I really like his depth of body, and overall power.

 

[KNERSIE]

Have a close look at his right front foot, he is also screwing on that foot. Upright pasterns is as undesireable as pasterns with excessive set, but this bull's pasterns is way past the accepted range. What I see is a bull who's structure struggles to support his weight. I liked him in the photos, but after seeing this video I'll pass on him.

 

[JHH]

I am not a very good judge but he does look plenty fat.

They can bring him here and throw him out on my poison fescue pastures and see what he would really do. I dont have 40 cows so it might be a good test. :D

I like the looks of him and I think he does have a lot of good points. Let us know how the calves look Oakcreek.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

I will, I flushed him to SHF miss keynote 20x E39. She is the dam of the famed SHF Marshal 236G m33 bull that sold for $40,000 half interest in Denver. I have set my cowherd up around the M33 bull, and had the opportunity to purchase the old cow that lasted 13-14 years in Kevins herd. I expect the cross to have excellent maternal traits, power, eye appeal, and carcass.

 

[Hereford76]

He believe he did do some natural service last year. The bull is only two so he won't be breeding 40 cows for a few years, but they certainly have kept him in good shape. I see no pigeon toe, I see a wide base bull and a wide rear quartered bull that walks with a wide stance. The pasterns do look loose, I believe they call them shock absorbing pasterns in horses.

I really like his depth of body, and overall power.

huh?

so a bull out of a 40,000 something or other makes a bull but a polled 2 year old can't cover 40 cows in the midwest?

 

[I luv herfrds]

Read the comments first I will admit.
i could see what you were talking about Knersie.

Wonder how he would do up in your country H'76. The jack rabbits have to pack lunches. ;-)
He would sure lose a lot of that fat fast.

 

[CPL]

You guys can make all the jokes about his weight, but to me he does not look like the hard-doing type at all.

Granted, if you take any bull that is on full feed and "throw" him out on nothing but grass he'll fall apart, not because of his own genetics, but because his rumen would need time to adjust to the abrupt change in diet.

His phenotype is something to be impressed with, but I agree with Harley and the others - after watching the video, from a structure standpoint, he's disappointing.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

76 you didn't read my posts very well. He was not a $40,000 bull, and he is not mine. I don't breed a two year old to 40 cows, maybe you do. They could breed him to 100 cows for all I know. He is in canada, not Kansas

I can say that I never did see any loose pasterns in the bull as a yearling, I think it would have been something that would have drawn my eye seeing him in person. He is in really good shape, but I can assure you he has always been an easy doing bull. I like the bull a lot and think that he will make an impact on the breed. I know that the pasterns are in question here, but assure you that I saw no structure downfalls in the bull as a yearling.

JHH I am sure that he would probably thrive on that fescue, my cattle do wonderfully on it.

 

[TexasBred]

If you're that sure of him why did you even ask opinions?? Breed him up and live with it.

 

[JHH]

76 you didn't read my posts very well. He was not a $40,000 bull, and he is not mine. I don't breed a two year old to 40 cows, maybe you do. They could breed him to 100 cows for all I know. He is in canada, not Kansas

I can say that I never did see any loose pasterns in the bull as a yearling, I think it would have been something that would have drawn my eye seeing him in person. He is in really good shape, but I can assure you he has always been an easy doing bull. I like the bull a lot and think that he will make an impact on the breed. I know that the pasterns are in question here, but assure you that I saw no structure downfalls in the bull as a yearling.

JHH I am sure that he would probably thrive on that fescue, my cattle do wonderfully on it.

I am sure he would. but he would have to adapt a little like Christian said. I wasnt saying anything bad, just saying that he would loose a little of that condition in my fescue pastures. My bull has come around. It takes time for them to adjust from getting feed to just getting grass.

 

[I luv herfrds]

oakcreek FYI we bought a bull from H'76 he's a 2008 model
Kicked out last year with another bull with around 50 cows he bred all but 15 of them, 3 we are still waiting on to calve.
Not bad for a 2 year old bull.

Had another bull back in '98 do the same thing when the other bull turned up sterile. Got over 50 out of him. Not bad for a yearling.

This is what he was talking about.

 

[Jovid]

76 you didn't read my posts very well. He was not a $40,000 bull, and he is not mine. I don't breed a two year old to 40 cows, maybe you do. They could breed him to 100 cows for all I know. He is in canada, not Kansas

I can say that I never did see any loose pasterns in the bull as a yearling, I think it would have been something that would have drawn my eye seeing him in person. He is in really good shape, but I can assure you he has always been an easy doing bull. I like the bull a lot and think that he will make an impact on the breed. I know that the pasterns are in question here, but assure you that I saw no structure downfalls in the bull as a yearling.

JHH I am sure that he would probably thrive on that fescue, my cattle do wonderfully on it.

Almost all bulls are easy doing when they are on full feed.

If he couldn't breed 40 cows at two years old he or his offspring wouldn't be worth much in the real world.

FYI...he might lose 800 lbs and still be alive eating fescue but I doubt if he would thrive on it as much as he has been fed when he was young.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

He wasn't on full feed when he was young, he was fed appropriately. Any bull in that condition is going to lose some of it when turned out on grass. I don't understand the point that you guys are trying to make.

I am sure that he could breed 40 cows this year if that is what the owner wants to do. I was making an assumption based on my own preference of not running a 2 year old with that many cows! I am sure that he is more then capable of breeding 40 cows.

 

[Jovid]

He wasn't on full feed when he was young, he was fed appropriately. Any bull in that condition is going to lose some of it when turned out on grass. I don't understand the point that you guys are trying to make.

I am sure that he could breed 40 cows this year if that is what the owner wants to do. Some of you are awfully hard headed, I was making an assumption based on my own preference of not running a 2 year old with that many cows! I am sure that he is more then capable of breeding 40 cows.

The point is if you think you are going to get calves that look like him without creeping them and then putting them on full feed after they are weaned you are kidding yourself. If you have the money to feed all your calves full feed then he is a fine looking bull.

 

[oakcreekfarms]

to look like him, yes they need fed. That doesnt mean that he or his calved wont look great fed less.