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Jeanne - Simme Valley

Jeanne - Simme Valley

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There has been unwarranted conversations about scruples and or reputation.
I have always said, my reputation is EVERYTHING in the cattle business - or ANY business/life.
I am going to brag about my reputation. I've told many of you before, that the only bulls I sell is bull calves, and the majority of them are "ordered" prior to birth. Right now I have "orders" for 5 bull calves for pickup in October that are due to calve in Jan/Feb. We actually had our first calf born yesterday, 5 days early - bull calf that we banded (104#).
Well, this morning I was eating breakfast and my phone rang. It was a gentlemen from Colorado that I have been using semen for years on an old bull he raised, and we have chatted numerous times and I've sent him pictures of calves we showed out of his bull. After chatting for a bit, catching up on what's been happening, he told me he wanted to buy 3 red bull calves. He would arrange trucking in October. This is a man I have never met. He didn't even ask how much!
It just made me proud of my farm and reputation and wanted to share!
Happy New Year!!
 
Jeanne, That says allot about you and your operation

Wednesday we went to the Santa Rosa Ranch in Crockett, Tx and bought 2 bulls. I had picked out 9 out of about 40 they sent me a video and EPDs on. When we got there they had the 9 bulls in a pen and the ranch manager told me 2 of these bulls aren't going to last because they have hip issues and 1 has an abcess above his left eye. Once he pointed them out it was easy to see but I honestly wouldn't have noticed the 2 with hind end issues. They honestly weren't that bad but he was afraid they wouldn't last long term. One of them I probably would have picked too. That said allot about their operation to me and I'll be doing business with them again.
 
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Lucky said:
Jeanne, That says allot about you and your operation

Wednesday we went to the Santa Rosa Ranch in Crockett, Tx and bought 2 bulls. I had picked out 9 out of about 40 they sent me a video and EPDs on. When we got there they had the 9 bulls in a pen and the ranch manager told me 2 of these bulls aren't going to last and 1 has an abcess above his left eye. Once he pointed them out it was easy to see but I honestly wouldn't have noticed the 2 with hind end issues. They honestly weren't that bad but he was afraid they wouldn't last long term. One of them I probably would have picked too. That said allot about their operation to me and I'll be doing business with them again.
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And chances are, they...like most reputable breeders like them that sell bulls.. would have told you to bring it back and get another, if you had not seen it and took one of them home with you. I delivered a bull to Fla for Scott's brother a couple of years ago. The man had bought a bull from him, that somehow got in a bog and drowned. Wasn't the seller's fault or anything about the bull. If it was anyone's fault, I suppose the blame would have to be on the buyer. He had called Scott's brother and told him what happened, and asked he had another one similar he would sell him. He told the man " Nope. I sure don't. But I have one I am giving you, and will deliver it next week". Turned down a sale to do what was right. Actually, there would have been nothing wrong if he hadn't done that, and sold him another. But, David has sold some more down there to the man's friends and neighbors as a result. Like you said, the next bulls you want, you are going back to them!
 
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Jeanne - Simme Valley said:
There has been unwarranted conversations about scruples and or reputation.
I have always said, my reputation is EVERYTHING in the cattle business - or ANY business/life.
I am going to brag about my reputation. I've told many of you before, that the only bulls I sell is bull calves, and the majority of them are "ordered" prior to birth. Right now I have "orders" for 5 bull calves for pickup in October that are due to calve in Jan/Feb. We actually had our first calf born yesterday, 5 days early - bull calf that we banded (104#).
Well, this morning I was eating breakfast and my phone rang. It was a gentlemen from Colorado that I have been using semen for years on an old bull he raised, and we have chatted numerous times and I've sent him pictures of calves we showed out of his bull. After chatting for a bit, catching up on what's been happening, he told me he wanted to buy 3 red bull calves. He would arrange trucking in October. This is a man I have never met. He didn't even ask how much!
It just made me proud of my farm and reputation and wanted to share!
Happy New Year!!
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I have never talked to you or seen you in person. I Just know what I know from seeing you on here, and your web page. But, I would not hesitate in the least to buy one from you, sight unseen,( except maybe pics) just based on what you told me about it. You should be proud of your hard-earned reputation, and brag about it!
 
Warren Allison said:
And chances are, they...like most reputable breeders like them that sell bulls.. would have told you to bring it back and get another, if you had not seen it and took one of them home with you. I delivered a bull to Fla for Scott's brother a couple of years ago. The man had bought a bull from him, that somehow got in a bog and drowned. Wasn't the seller's fault or anything about the bull. If it was anyone's fault, I suppose the blame would have to be on the buyer. He had called Scott's brother and told him what happened, and asked he had another one similar he would sell him. He told the man " Nope. I sure don't. But I have one I am giving you, and will deliver it next week". Turned down a sale to do what was right. Actually, there would have been nothing wrong if he hadn't done that, and sold him another. But, David has sold some more down there to the man's friends and neighbors as a result. Like you said, the next bulls you want, you are going back to them!
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Wonderful Story Warren. It's great to hear stories like this. Recently heard a similar story, although not about livestock, and kinda in reverse, where an individual staying at an Air BNB replaced ALL the wall outlets in the house of his host. Apparently the guest had recently done this in his home. The guest noticed that when he used one of the outlets in the kitchen that the cord to the coffee pot darn near fell out of the outlet it was so loose. Upon talking with the host, it became evident there were a few outlets in the home that had issues. The guest was spending 4 weeks at the Air BNB and replaced all - over 30 - outlets in the home at no charge and nothing in return for the host during the guest's 'free time'.
 
Jeanne - Simme Valley said:
There has been unwarranted conversations about scruples and or reputation.
I have always said, my reputation is EVERYTHING in the cattle business - or ANY business/life.
I am going to brag about my reputation. I've told many of you before, that the only bulls I sell is bull calves, and the majority of them are "ordered" prior to birth. Right now I have "orders" for 5 bull calves for pickup in October that are due to calve in Jan/Feb. We actually had our first calf born yesterday, 5 days early - bull calf that we banded (104#).
Well, this morning I was eating breakfast and my phone rang. It was a gentlemen from Colorado that I have been using semen for years on an old bull he raised, and we have chatted numerous times and I've sent him pictures of calves we showed out of his bull. After chatting for a bit, catching up on what's been happening, he told me he wanted to buy 3 red bull calves. He would arrange trucking in October. This is a man I have never met. He didn't even ask how much!
It just made me proud of my farm and reputation and wanted to share!
Happy New Year!!
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If I were in the hunt for a Simmental bull, I wouldn't be concerned with the reputation of you or any breeder that castrates a big percentage of their bull calves. Your cattle a made the way cattle should be made, thick, long and deep sided with lots of guts. My main concern would be how they would acclimate coming here.
 
gcreekrch said:
If I were in the hunt for a Simmental bull, I wouldn't be concerned with the reputation of you or any breeder that castrates a big percentage of their bull calves. Your cattle a made the way cattle should be made, thick, long and deep sided with lots of guts. My main concern would be how they would acclimate coming here.
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That's odd. @gcreekrch, where are you at? You are a true veteran on this forum, but your location is not showing up for me. Did it get deleted somehow? I'm guessing you had it posted at one time and most everyone knows where you are. I, on the other hand, am still relatively new here.

I wouldn't be worried about @Jeanne - Simme Valley cattle in cold climates, but hot, dry, and/or long distances to water sources would be a thing to think about.
 
Last spring I walked through 85 black angus yearlings and made a rough list of 20 in -30 weather. These bulls were not clipped or primped in any way. The seller and I got back to her office and sat down with the cheat sheet showing weights and performance. I narrowed down to the 7 bulls I wanted and told her to put my name on them. She asked if I had looked at the prices and my answer was no, we can now. There were a couple of expensive bulls in there but the average was $250 less than my budget.
We have been doing business for several years now and any problems that develop are looked after by me canning the bull and she giving me a credit for the difference on another bull.
As Warren's story went, another good customer of my supplier lost a bull a few days after delivery and it was replaced with another bull for no dollars.
We sold several finished sides of beef to long time customers last fall. They were all cut and wrapped at the same facility. A brother and sister told me after several months that their beef from the same animal had a funny taste. A month ago, I gave them another beef that I valued to myself at $4200. They will be back again and again.
This kind of business pays back in so many ways.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
That's odd. @gcreekrch, where are you at? You are a true veteran on this forum, but your location is not showing up for me. Did it get deleted somehow? I'm guessing you had it posted at one time and most everyone knows where you are. I, on the other hand, am still relatively new here.

I wouldn't be worried about @Jeanne - Simme Valley cattle in cold climates, but hot, dry, and/or long distances to water sources would be a thing to think about.
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I am in the wolf, grizzly and mosquito infested west Chilcotin area of BC. An area made famous by Rich Hobson's Grass Beyond the Mountains book. Most bulls from other areas take a lot of extra care for the first two years they are here.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
Wonderful Story Warren. It's great to hear stories like this. Recently heard a similar story, although not about livestock, and kinda in reverse, where an individual staying at an Air BNB replaced ALL the wall outlets in the house of his host. Apparently the guest had recently done this in his home. The guest noticed that when he used one of the outlets in the kitchen that the cord to the coffee pot darn near fell out of the outlet it was so loose. Upon talking with the host, it became evident there were a few outlets in the home that had issues. The guest was spending 4 weeks at the Air BNB and replaced all - over 30 - outlets in the home at no charge and nothing in return for the host during the guest's 'free time'.
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Completely off topic but as the owner of an AirBnB I would HATE that gesture. What are the renters credentials? I've had more than one renter that was a "contractor", "electrician", "plumber", etc that didn't know how to change a light bulb or replace a smoke detector battery.

I understand replacing a receptical isn't rocket science. But I don't want some random person doing things that could burn my house to the ground. Way too many "youtube professionals" out there.

My rental has a separate wood fired sauna. I had to put a padlock on the chimney cleanout as people would try to start fires in there instead of the giant wood stove just below it...
 
chevytaHOE5674 said:
Completely off topic but as the owner of an AirBnB I would HATE that gesture. What are the renters credentials? I've had more than one renter that was a "contractor", "electrician", "plumber", etc that didn't know how to change a light bulb or replace a smoke detector battery.

I understand replacing a receptical isn't rocket science. But I don't want some random person doing things that could burn my house to the ground. Way too many "youtube professionals" out there.

My rental has a separate wood fired sauna. I had to put a padlock on the chimney cleanout as people would try to start fires in there instead of the giant wood stove just below it...
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I wondered the same, and it is a point worth pondering. You are also right about the fact that it is not rocket science either as I've replaced a few myself. If the renter had offered to replace the whole circuit breaker box, that would be another matter, especially without credentials.
 
If a renter says they replace so much as a paper towel roll in the house, I make sure to double check that they didn't F... it up. Because they have been known to rip the holder off the wall then try to reattach it with gorilla glue.

If somebody said they replaced all the outlets, I would be removing each and every one and double checking everything.
 
gcreekrch said:
I am in the wolf, grizzly and mosquito infested west Chilcotin area of BC. An area made famous by Rich Hobson's Grass Beyond the Mountains book. Most bulls from other areas take a lot of extra care for the first two years they are here.
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I had to look up Chilcotin on the map, but figured it couldn't be too far from where I spent some time. I was the rangeland management specialist for the Colville Confederated Tribes about 25 years ago. That is the 'dry side' of the mountains, and a bit to your south. Just prior to that, I spent 3 years in Corvallis, the 'wet side' of the mountains completing my MS degree. My research for that stint was in eastern Oregon near LaGrande. I'll have to look up and read the book.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
I had to look up Chilcotin on the map, but figured it couldn't be too far from where I spent some time. I was the rangeland management specialist for the Colville Confederated Tribes about 25 years ago. That is the 'dry side' of the mountains, and a bit to your south. Just prior to that, I spent 3 years in Corvallis, the 'wet side' of the mountains completing my MS degree. My research for that stint was in eastern Oregon near LaGrande. I'll have to look up and read the book.
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It's an awesome book. Those guys were beyond tough.
 
Jeanne - Simme Valley said:
There has been unwarranted conversations about scruples and or reputation.
I have always said, my reputation is EVERYTHING in the cattle business - or ANY business/life.
I am going to brag about my reputation. I've told many of you before, that the only bulls I sell is bull calves, and the majority of them are "ordered" prior to birth. Right now I have "orders" for 5 bull calves for pickup in October that are due to calve in Jan/Feb. We actually had our first calf born yesterday, 5 days early - bull calf that we banded (104#).
Well, this morning I was eating breakfast and my phone rang. It was a gentlemen from Colorado that I have been using semen for years on an old bull he raised, and we have chatted numerous times and I've sent him pictures of calves we showed out of his bull. After chatting for a bit, catching up on what's been happening, he told me he wanted to buy 3 red bull calves. He would arrange trucking in October. This is a man I have never met. He didn't even ask how much!
It just made me proud of my farm and reputation and wanted to share!
Happy New Year!!
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OMG! You can't make money with Red cattle what is he thinking!!🤣🤣🥰
 
Actually, he is a HUGE farmer. Big crop farmer besides cattle. Has his own feedlot.
He called me last night and made this deal.
He called this morning and starting chatting away about cattle I've shown. ?? I said, Don are you on my website? He said yes, and proceeded naming another red heifer I showed.
I laughed. I said Don, you committed to buy 3 bulls, not even born. And NOW you're stalking me?? You were supposed to do that BEFORE you committed. We both laughed. He said, that's TRUST.
 
Mark Reynolds said:
I had to look up Chilcotin on the map, but figured it couldn't be too far from where I spent some time. I was the rangeland management specialist for the Colville Confederated Tribes about 25 years ago. That is the 'dry side' of the mountains, and a bit to your south. Just prior to that, I spent 3 years in Corvallis, the 'wet side' of the mountains completing my MS degree. My research for that stint was in eastern Oregon near LaGrande. I'll have to look up and read the book.
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The Chilcotin is a long ways and an entirely different world that the Colville Reservation. I have spent a little time in the Chilcotin but not nearly as far west as Greek is located. I spent a lot of time in the Colville and Okanogan area. I have some friends who are tribal members and others who are not natives who live just off the res.
 

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