Safe Guard cubes

[elkwc]

I found some older threads on them but no recent comments. Bought some and fed some this evening. Have friends who have used them and they feel they work. They contain Fenbendazole. Say 1 lb for every 200 lbs of weight. Our herd averages above 1,400 lbs. We are trying them in a rotation with back pouring. Would appreciate opinions from anyone who has used it.

 

[sstterry]

The problem with Safeguard cubes is ensuring that each animal is getting the appropriate dose. Unless you are only feeding one animal there is no way to make sure that the appropriate dose is being ingested by each animal.

 

[elkwc]

The problem with Safeguard cubes is ensuring that each animal is getting the appropriate dose. Unless you are only feeding one animal there is no way to make sure that the appropriate dose is being ingested by each animal.

Have you used them personally. I had that concern but been told by a few that have used them and have done a fecal count before abs after they are very effective. I’m sure there will be a few that don’t get enough. When I fed last evening every cow ate till the end. Know some likely eat faster. It is the only option we have besides back pouring. Just trying too rotate wieners.

 

[4hfarms]

I have used blocks here and there for a few years. Not this year, too many cows. It seemed to work fine when there is no competition, as in less than a dozen cows. When there are more cows it seems to be not as effective, yes, I had multiple blocks out with more cows. I also found out its not so fun to move them as I rotate pastures daily and the block is usually gone by the time they rotate back to that field. I started using pass through IGR (in a bucket) and pour-on Ivermectin when needed. Seems to work so far.

I need something for those pesky critters that fly under the cow.....

 

[chaded]

Your other option is to stop worming mature cattle and cull the ones that can’t handle their worms..

 

[4hfarms]

Your other option is to stop worming mature cattle and cull the ones that can’t handle their worms..

Not sure if you responded to my post or the OP. Just in case it was me, this is the first year I have had more than 2 cows over 3 years old. As stated, I used blocks here and there in the past. I only use pour on as needed. Just to be clear, i have only had to worm 3 times (winter) in almost 5 years. Our rotation program usually keep the worms at bay.

IGR is for fly control...... along with 22 ducks and 30 chickens in the pasture.

 

[Brute 23]

Have you used them personally. I had that concern but been told by a few that have used them and have done a fecal count before abs after they are very effective. I’m sure there will be a few that don’t get enough. When I fed last evening every cow ate till the end. Know some likely eat faster. It is the only option we have besides back pouring. Just trying too rotate wieners.

Are you sure they need to be wormed? Those cubes are very expensive and the results are pretty spotty.

If you don't mind me asking, how are you able to pour on but not inject?

 

[chaded]

Probably best deleted. Lol.

 

[Ebenezer]

Your other option is to stop worming mature cattle and cull the ones that can't handle their worms..

Haven't wormed a cow over 3 YO in likely 15 or 20 years. Did FECs on weaned calves now for 3 years and only had one that was close to the threshold. A lot of money is tied to dewormers.

 

[sstterry]

Have you used them personally. I had that concern but been told by a few that have used them and have done a fecal count before abs after they are very effective. I'm sure there will be a few that don't get enough. When I fed last evening every cow ate till the end. Know some likely eat faster. It is the only option we have besides back pouring. Just trying too rotate wieners.

I used them once on just two steers. But having read up on thier use, what I said was the general consensus. If you get to little of the drug in them, it can lead to resistance.

As to what others have told you, do you know what the herd size was? I would be skeptical for any more than two or three being fed them at a time.

 

[elkwc]

I used them once on just two steers. But having read up on thier use, what I said was the general consensus. If you get to little of the drug in them, it can lead to resistance.

As to what others have told you, do you know what the herd size was? I would be skeptical for any more than two or three being fed them at a time.

The herd sizes was 50 head or more. Tell me what the difference is between feeding the cubes and using a pour in or injectable and never weighing what they are pouring or inhecting? Many don’t have a clue what they are pouring or giving a shot. I have seen many times that some were under dosed and others over dosed. I attended a sale this week. Most don’t have a clue about weight.

 

[elkwc]

Are you sure they need to be wormed? Those cubes are very expensive and the results are pretty spotty.

If you don't mind me asking, how are you able to pour on but not inject?

We don’t have the facilities to inject cattle at most pastures. Our cattle are docile and easy too handle so can pour them easy. Most breeders in this area are like us. For some it is hard too even pour. If you handled and ran cattle in this area you would understand.

 

[elkwc]

I have used blocks here and there for a few years. Not this year, too many cows. It seemed to work fine when there is no competition, as in less than a dozen cows. When there are more cows it seems to be not as effective, yes, I had multiple blocks out with more cows. I also found out its not so fun to move them as I rotate pastures daily and the block is usually gone by the time they rotate back to that field. I started using pass through IGR (in a bucket) and pour-on Ivermectin when needed. Seems to work so far.

I need something for those pesky critters that fly under the cow.....

I have heard mixed results on blocks but good results with cubes. What we fed last night all ate till they were all gone. I know some will consume more. But unless you weigh every head the dosage rate will vary to some degree.

 

[sstterry]

The herd sizes was 50 head or more. Tell me what the difference is between feeding the cubes and using a pour in or injectable and never weighing what they are pouring or inhecting? Many don't have a clue what they are pouring or giving a shot. I have seen many times that some were under dosed and others over dosed. I attended a sale this week. Most don't have a clue about weight.

Adult cattle rarely need to be wormed. You do what works for you though. I am just telling you what my understanding is the general consensus is in the veterinary community. Maybe @Lucky_P or @wbvs58 will chime in. I trust what they say. These are times I sure miss Buck.

 

[Brute 23]

We don’t have the facilities to inject cattle at most pastures. Our cattle are docile and easy too handle so can pour them easy. Most breeders in this area are like us. For some it is hard too even pour. If you handled and ran cattle in this area you would understand.

No need, pretty easy to understand.

I have seen a lot of people who think they need a full squeeze to ear tag and inject and it's not necessary. I can do both in a alley with our ignorant animals but thats neither here nor there. You have it figured out. Pour it too them. Money is no object when you have your mind made up.

 

[elkwc]

No need, pretty easy to understand.

I have seen a lot of people who think they need a full squeeze to ear tag and inject and it's not necessary. I can do both in a alley with our ignorant animals but thats neither here nor there. You have it figured out. Pour it too them. Money is no object when you have your mind made up.

It is obvious you have no clue or understand how we handle cattle in this area. Money is an object. Again you have no clue what you are making comments about. Where did I say anything about having an alley? I asked for responses from those who have used the cubes. Have you ever used them?

 

[elkwc]

Adult cattle rarely need to be wormed. You do what works for you though. I am just telling you what my understanding is the general consensus is in the veterinary community. Maybe @Lucky_P or @wbvs58 will chime in. I trust what they say. These are times I sure miss Buck.

My vets suggest I worm twice a year in this area. They suggest to change type of products to prevent a resistance build up. We have back poured mainly recently. Use injectable wormer on weaning calves and our replacements. Will see if our results mirror that of other breeders in this area. We will only try it on part of the herd. Will continue to back pour the rest.

 

[sstterry]

My vets suggest I worm twice a year in this area. They suggest to change type of products to prevent a resistance build up. We have back poured mainly recently. Use injectable wormer on weaning calves and our replacements. Will see if our results mirror that of other breeders in this area. We will only try it on part of the herd. Will continue to back pour the rest.

Then I would follow the advice of your Vet.

 

[Brute 23]

It is obvious you have no clue or understand how we handle cattle in this area. Money is an object. Again you have no clue what you are making comments about. Where did I say anything about having an alley? I asked for responses from those who have used the cubes. Have you ever used them?

Yes, it was a rookie move and it was a waste of money. I learned later on that people way over worm their cattle and IF you are going to spend the money, do it right or don't waste your time.

Don't mind me. Some "let's all be friends" person will come along to powder your behind and tell you what you want to hear.

 

[elkwc]

Your other option is to stop worming mature cattle and cull the ones that can't handle their worms..

I know what the other options is. I asked for replies from those who have used the cubes. From your comments I would assume you have never used them. I respect your choice not to worm. I will continue too follow the advice of my vets.