S A V Premier 0096
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coachg
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Big , thick, powerful looking . I like him ! Reminds me of the Charlo bull or the Weigh Up bull.
Like his video better than his pic, however, maybe a "red" flag...no milking daughters (or any offspring for that matter) recorded on AAA site https://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl. ... bk9w%3d%3d Only found two registered daughters on CAA (2/2015 born)
Oldtimer
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Looks pretty good- fair length and good depth and capacity...
I guess my biggest negative would be the argument put forward by the Shoshone/maternal afficionados about not having a long thick tail switch, which they claim is a sign of being highly maternal...
Here is a few examples -
a bull we bought that went back numerous times to Shoshone Viking GD-60--Whitney Creek Legacy 726T 15800327
Shoshone Viking GD-60
Shoshone Encore 6310
I guess my biggest negative would be the argument put forward by the Shoshone/maternal afficionados about not having a long thick tail switch, which they claim is a sign of being highly maternal...
Here is a few examples -
a bull we bought that went back numerous times to Shoshone Viking GD-60--Whitney Creek Legacy 726T 15800327
Shoshone Viking GD-60
Shoshone Encore 6310
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Is it just me or does it look like his tail has been broken.
Something is just off about his tail
Gizmom
Something is just off about his tail
Gizmom
I noticed his tail and have also seen several others over the last 3 years with short tails. Some Polled Herefords also. Have read the opinions on it. Most aren't as short as this one. I agree with Gizmon that something doesn't look right.
ez14
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His tail looks like it may have been docked as some of you know the farm i work on had a big die off well we got new cows now and they came from lots of different farms some of them have full tails some are docked but there are a few that were docked lower then the rest and they have tails about that long with just a little switch hair just like what he has got
Oldtimer
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Be interesting to know why about the tail... Up here in "little siberia" we usually assume a cow or bull with short tail got it froze off being born in a blizzard...
ez14
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frozen off was my next idea but i guess he might not be far enough north to have had that happenOldtimer":bo1j6n2v said:
WalnutCrest
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We had a bull calf lose about 6" of the end of his tail when it got 'docked' by a cows' hoof.
Lots of ways it can happen.
Lots of ways it can happen.
ez14
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we had a cow get its teat docked like that! that was pretty bloodyWalnutCrest":2omx0cga said:
greatgerts
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Ive seen fescue cause it.
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I have seen a calf lose a tail when mamma stepped on it right after birth. Living in Florida I haven't seen many freeze off :lol: This bulls is Shaff bred I imagine its gets pretty cold in ND. I checked the Angus site as well and found it strange that I found no daughters. Now for the rest of the story, we own the flush sister to this bull. I can tell you she does have plenty of milk and a beautiful udder. She does a really good job with her calves. I can also tell you I don't agree with the -EN number, the flush sister of this bull gets fat just walking by feed. The biggest problem we have with her is she gets to fat. We have flushed her twice, the third flush was a bust, so we put her in with the bull she is bred and due to calve in November. We plan to get the calf on the ground and once she is ready to breed back take her to Bickett Genetics and flush her for several months. At this point we have one natural calf and 4 ET calves on the ground out of her. Out of the 4 ET calves out of our Coleman EXT 6149 bull one is at the Florida Bull Test another is at the Southern Excellence Bull development and two are at the farm one bull and one heifer. There isn't a bad one in the bunch. Needless to say I am flushing her back this way and probably more than once. We have several ET calves due on 10/4/2016 out of S A V Resource I am excited to see how that works, I am thinking it will be pretty powerful.
gizmom
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To be honest I had not looked at it close enough, If I was giving a grade between A and F I guess I would give him a C or C-. The cow that is a flush sister is bred to our Coleman EXT 6149 bull that I think would get solid B.
This is a photo of the Coleman EXT 6149 bull.
What grade would you give them? As we know all of us see things a little different, like I said until you pointed it out I had not really paid all that close attention. I ran into JSCUNN at the Molino Wal Mart (dollar store) yesterday and we talked a bit about the bull. He said their was something a little off when he walked out but he couldn't for the life of him figure out what it was. JSCUNN could describe it better than I can, I will just say wonky. I see the same thing it is just a little off he tracks good but at the same time seems a bit choppy.
This is a photo of the bulls grand dam and the main reason I wanted to purchase the cow, I sure wish I had a video of her to see how she walks.
This is a photo of the flush sister S A V Blackcap May 0524
I can tell you 0524 has a bad back leg she got hurt the hock is blown but she still gets around ok. We went to look at the sale cattle two weeks prior to the sale because we couldn't go the weekend of the sale. We walked her out and she was fine she walked out really well. We purchased her online and when we got her the leg was injured. We think she must of got hurt being hauled to the sale facility because a friend that was at the sale said she was swelled up at the sale. Would we have purchased her if we had seen the leg I really can't say but I doubt it. Seeing her calves now I am glad we didn't go to the sale, because we may have missed out on a really good one.
gizmom
To be honest I had not looked at it close enough, If I was giving a grade between A and F I guess I would give him a C or C-. The cow that is a flush sister is bred to our Coleman EXT 6149 bull that I think would get solid B.
This is a photo of the Coleman EXT 6149 bull.
What grade would you give them? As we know all of us see things a little different, like I said until you pointed it out I had not really paid all that close attention. I ran into JSCUNN at the Molino Wal Mart (dollar store) yesterday and we talked a bit about the bull. He said their was something a little off when he walked out but he couldn't for the life of him figure out what it was. JSCUNN could describe it better than I can, I will just say wonky. I see the same thing it is just a little off he tracks good but at the same time seems a bit choppy.
This is a photo of the bulls grand dam and the main reason I wanted to purchase the cow, I sure wish I had a video of her to see how she walks.
This is a photo of the flush sister S A V Blackcap May 0524
I can tell you 0524 has a bad back leg she got hurt the hock is blown but she still gets around ok. We went to look at the sale cattle two weeks prior to the sale because we couldn't go the weekend of the sale. We walked her out and she was fine she walked out really well. We purchased her online and when we got her the leg was injured. We think she must of got hurt being hauled to the sale facility because a friend that was at the sale said she was swelled up at the sale. Would we have purchased her if we had seen the leg I really can't say but I doubt it. Seeing her calves now I am glad we didn't go to the sale, because we may have missed out on a really good one.
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Ebenezer
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Will be interested in JS's comments. Only a guess, but from the type, the long body look and extra middle I would expect the rear legs to appear to have most movement from the hip and the rest of the leg appear fixed when he walks. He would not track into front hoof marks and rear leg movement would appear choppy to exaggerated. I saw that with some Graham bulls in GA and have seen others like a DDA Lodge son. It is a skeletal issue but not a defect. Nothing like a wild guess first thing in the morning! Head, neck and shoulders really have a look of proper hormones and fertility.
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I just went back and looked at the video again, now I think I see what JS was describing to me. When the bull goes to bring his front foot forward it looks like he doesn't quite pick it up all the way and the tow drags forward. Does that make any sense at all? He tracks really well in that his back foot steps right into the track of the front. So for me it isn't a tracking issue. Still a bit wonky.
jscunn
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That is exactly what I saw gizmom..he moves pretty well actually I took a look on the computer still drags the foot but sure walks as good or better than most ai bulls
