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skyhightree1

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Does anyone in here only keep registered cattle? I was at a sale wednesday and the man there sold around 50 cow calf pairs with papers on them. He told me it was alot of hassle making sure to keep all the records straight and stuff but he has way over 300 head of cattle. I talked to some guys there and they don't care about papers on them and some found it really important. This may be a stupid question which I have asked many before but is it really that important ? I mean the price difference isnt that big of a deal between registered and non registered cow calf pairs atleast here where I am.
 
If you plan on selling bulls or seedstock females the papers are vital. For the strictly comemrcial guy they don;t really mean squat
 
dun":2dm70i99 said:
If you plan on selling bulls or seedstock females the papers are vital. For the strictly comemrcial guy they don;t really mean squat
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Gotcha... with that being said which category do you fall into dun ?
 
I only raise registered, and yes there is some paperwork.

You need to track AI dates, pasture exposed dates, Birth weight, Weaning weight, Yearling Weights, BCS on your cows at weaning and a couple of other things i can't remember now!
 
i to keep up the reg papers on my cattle.an yes its alot of work an hassle but its worth it to me.i reg the heifers that are worth it.an cull the 1s that arnt.i dont reg a bull unless he is 1 heck of a bull.
 
All my cows are registered. Only thing different than when I ran commercial cows was now I send the performance records to the association as opposed to just leaving them in my binder. A progressive cattleman keeps the same records either way.

As far as price. There's no ceiling on the price of reg stock but the reg cattle I can afford to be consumed with run about twice that of their non reg counterparts.
 
skyhightree1":1ca3vr9s said:
Does anyone in here only keep registered cattle? I was at a sale wednesday and the man there sold around 50 cow calf pairs with papers on them. He told me it was alot of hassle making sure to keep all the records straight and stuff but he has way over 300 head of cattle. I talked to some guys there and they don't care about papers on them and some found it really important. This may be a stupid question which I have asked many before but is it really that important ? I mean the price difference isnt that big of a deal between registered and non registered cow calf pairs atleast here where I am.
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I ran a small herd for year's and the paper work is a pain got to do it.
When you are selling bull's EPD's are critical.
I also had to have a TB certified free herd as a seedstock producer.
Got lucky when the state pulled the breeder's through a lottery, few year's back and have them certified.
It was a manditory program and your herd was quaranteened until a state vet certified them.
 
skyhightree1":2eu67y0e said:
Thats alot of work I don't have time to manage. I guess I will never maintain reg papers lol
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NOt really. With the Gelbvieh Assn it's all on line and takes very little time to do!
 
skyhightree1":1uk42pmj said:
dun":1uk42pmj said:
If you plan on selling bulls or seedstock females the papers are vital. For the strictly comemrcial guy they don;t really mean squat
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Gotcha... with that being said which category do you fall into dun ?
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Both commercail and registered. Like 3way said, since it's all online it doesn;t take long to keep it up.
All we have to submit is heifer exposure reports, no calf reports, weaning and yearling weights, the breeding and calving data are done when the calf is born.
 
After years of horses, I have no desire whatsoever to register anything or deal with breed registries. I have a registered bull and commercial cows.
 
skyhightree1":18p5golw said:
Does anyone in here only keep registered cattle? I was at a sale wednesday and the man there sold around 50 cow calf pairs with papers on them. He told me it was alot of hassle making sure to keep all the records straight and stuff but he has way over 300 head of cattle. I talked to some guys there and they don't care about papers on them and some found it really important. This may be a stupid question which I have asked many before but is it really that important ? I mean the price difference isnt that big of a deal between registered and non registered cow calf pairs atleast here where I am.
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I'm wondering why he's selling registered pairs at a sale barn. Tells me he's either stupid or the cattle don't have the quality to be sold private treaty or at private breeds sale. Either way he should forget the papers.
 
I am sure there is alot of stuff that I should be doing and im not doing the correct way probably but I honestly just like having cattle on my place and when I sell them I am ok with what I get for them. with that being said I do have registered cows that I bought at the sale im mentioning years before but honestly I have no clue where the papers or nor worried about them.
 
I have some registered cows and some that aren't registered. And the results I have got calf wise is not what one would think. Most of the time the commercial cow raises the best calf. I retained some of the registered calves for replacements and I am not impressed at all. I think the crossbred cow is the way to go for the commercial market. But I have only experience with 3 breeds, Angus, Simmental, and Limousin. I have found the same thing Dave. But your bull needs papers so you might know what to expect if your lucky.
 
You cannot compare them apples to apples. Maternal heterosis plays a significant role in the superiority of the crossbred cow. A crossbred- obviously non papered cow- should consistently out perform her registered counterparts. Purebred breeders role is to provide bulls for the commerical cattleman to produce crossbred cows.
 
Like said, its all depends on what you are doing. There's a lot of competition out there in the pure bred papered market. No way I'm going to try and compete with some of these guys but if you ever hit on a winner I think it would be like striking gold.
 

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