Red Angus Herd Bull
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Jake
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"where's the beef?" nice critter there BA, got any other shots so I can critique him?
Jake
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nice looking critter, great depth, tons of capacity, could use a little strength over the top but he is an excellent bull.
lazy ace
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MikeC":8eqkvy3i said:
It should work that way but if you look in the Genex book Major League framed at a 6.5 as a yearling and now his mature frame is a 5.8. I don't know what happened there, but frame didn't bother his sale any.
Nice bull BA
have a cold one
lazy ace
Frame score is based on gender, hip hight and age.
If an animal has fast growth to 12 months but slows down after that, the FS will change.
http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/as1091w.htm
If an animal has fast growth to 12 months but slows down after that, the FS will change.
http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/ansci/beef/as1091w.htm
SEC
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Whoever would have dreamed that the frame score would never change.
It happens all the time!
It happens all the time!
SEC":31jztwar said:
Then because of the differences in growth curves of different breeds, each breed should have their own frame score charts and the standards now for all breeds would be inaccurate for some.
"For cattle developed under a consistent and adequate plane of nutrition for normal growth, a calculated frame score should be similar regardless of when the animal was measured. Theoretically an animal should have the same frame score throughout its life. Inconsistent environmental factors and management can alter skeletal growth rate, which may result in cattle developing slightly faster or slower than anticipated. As a result animals may increase or decrease a frame score over time depending on rate of growth."
Ollie Wrote:
The old bull has some meat in him. He looks good BA. How's his daughters working?
Ollie:
His daughters have been very good. We originally purchased him to produce daughters with good udder quality and he has done that and thrown more performance than anticipated. Our high selling bulls last year were our of his first calf heifers
The old bull has some meat in him. He looks good BA. How's his daughters working?
Ollie:
His daughters have been very good. We originally purchased him to produce daughters with good udder quality and he has done that and thrown more performance than anticipated. Our high selling bulls last year were our of his first calf heifers
MikeC":1491omxv said:
Cattle that drop in frame score between yearling and mature size are the ones that I like. You get the best of both worlds...great performance with moderate mature size. That is what true curve benders are. If the majority of slaughter cattle weigh between 1200-1300 lbs then why would you care if the growth slows down and they reach maturity sooner after that weight.
jnowack":31w1qkup said:
Wouldn't that drop in frame score be easily attainable by just withholding the feed/forage/nutrients from these cattle?
No thanks. I would rather have an animal that has been nutritionally developed through it's entire growing phase.
No facetiousness intended, and not saying you would do this. But I bet it has been done more than once.
Some notorious bull sellers with low frame scores come to mind.
MikeC":1z0cxa6u said:
Mike I'm not talking about starving them to get them small and I am not talking about a bunch of dinks either. I am just saying that if you had your choice of 2 animals that had identical weaning and yearling weights and frame scores but one reached maturity quicker and slowed their growth post yearling and ended up 1/2 to a full frame score smaller and had a lower mature weight, then why would you not want the one with the same early growth, more moderate mature size, and lower maintenace requirements? Bending the growth curve quite simply makes them more economical.
