Red angus heifer bull.

[strihafarms]

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This production sale is coming up an I am hoping to buy a heifer bull from Lodoens portion of the Red Angus bulls. I would appreciate any input. They recommended lots 1,2,3,9,11,12,20, 25,28, and 35. I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these sires and which would leave the best daughters. They seem like super people and the cattle seem very mellow and easy doing so I want to use some of their genetics and I just wanted other opinions. Thanks in advance.

 

[DOC HARRIS]

Thhttp://www.lodoencattle.com/sale.html


This production sale is coming up an I am hoping to buy a heifer bull from Lodoens portion of the Red Angus bulls. I would appreciate any input. They recommended lots 1,2,3,9,11,12,20, 25,28, and 35. I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these sires and which would leave the best daughters. They seem like super people and the cattle seem very mellow and easy doing so I want to use some of their genetics and I just wanted other opinions. Thanks in advance.

Any recommendation that you receive would be based on the "Growth" EPD's that the BULLS in question would carry, as is the procedure that one should use - given the factors that you have mentioned. However, you are overlooking the most important factor to consider prior to using ANY bull, and that is the EPD's, size, type, age, and weight of the 'heifer(s)' to whom the bull is to be bred. Those factors are 50o% of the mating process and what you are expecting in the resulting progeny. Your requirements are not only Calving Ease for the first heifers' progeny, but what those progeny can be expected to produce in the future of their productive lives.

I would suggest that you gather the Production (Growth) EPD's, the Maternal EPD's the current type, size, and weight (as mentioned above) of your current heifer(s) that you are planning to breed to the new bull, and compare and BALANCE[/b their traits and characteristics with the recommended bulls' traits and characteristics, and Accuracies to determine if there is a comfortable balance to the resulting "teeter-totter and NOT an unexpected surprise in the combination of traits which could appear in the resulting progeny. Then you have some information that is practical and revealing to you for solid comparisons.

In my opinion, that technic and protocol should always be incorporated in the selection choices of EVERY breeding animal purchase! Using that method of "Multiple Trait Selection Choices" in building your herd helps preclude unexpected surprises and may save you many years and many dollars by eliminating mistakes in breeding practices!

Besides - - it gives you a real strong feeling to know that you have done your "homework" in advance, and the decisions that you make in bull selection are the best that you can do. Nothing is guaranteed in combining billions of Sperm with the heifers ovum, but at least you have narrowed the chances for big errors and mistakes.

DOC HARRIS

 

[strihafarms]

Being a commercial producer I don't really have pedigree and and epd info on my heifers. The best way to describe them would be to say they are gelbvieh/angus cross and they weigh 725 - 800lbs. They will be mostly moderate framed females averaging 1150-1300lbs at maturity. My goal is to breed them to have their first calf at 23-24 months of age. I would guess they will average around 1000lbs at calving. I have always tried to select balanced trait epds when buying bulls in the past so hopefully they are balanced as individuals. Any other info that will help clarify the situation just ask please.

 

[3waycross]

41,42,43,47,52,54,58 I would not even consider a bull with a CE epd less than 8 as a heifer bull. 58 is the only bull in the sale over 10.

Since when does a 2 qualify as CE.

 

[strihafarms]

I appreciate the advice. This is the other sale I am looking at. Lot 4,5,and 12 are the ones I was most interested in. Opinions?

http://issuu.com/bohrsonmarketing/docs/ ... 0/11589899

 

[3waycross]

I appreciate the advice. This is the other sale I am looking at. Lot 4,5,and 12 are the ones I was most interested in. Opinions?

http://issuu.com/bohrsonmarketing/docs/ ... 0/11589899

#4, bring a lot of money

 

[strihafarms]

That's kind of what I am afraid of. He is extremely handsome in person. Massive hind quarters.

 

[3waycross]

That's kind of what I am afraid of. He is extremely handsome in person. Massive hind quarters.

On paper he looks like the #5 but the actual birth weight on the two is a lot different. I could be wrong but you are probably looking at upwards of $5000. He is also a herd changer from what I see so it's probably a good investment. Keep him 3 to 5 years and keep a lot of dtrs out of him the last two years.

 

[strihafarms]

They are both ET calves what should explain the bw difference. They told me they will be ok but the bw still makes me nervous.

 

[3waycross]

They are both ET calves what should explain the bw difference. They told me they will be ok but the bw still makes me nervous.

They are probably correct then. I would try to go back and find the actual birth weights on any natural calves off of their dam.

 

[dun]

They are both ET calves what should explain the bw difference. They told me they will be ok but the bw still makes me nervous.

They are probably correct then. I would try to go back and find the actual birth weights on any natural calves off of their dam.

With his reg number you can go back and look at all of his ancestors. I've never done ET but it seems that ET calves are generally a little heavier then their non-ET contemporarys

 

[strihafarms]

If I am reading it correctly the dam has ten calves averaging bw of 78lb.

 

[strihafarms]

The lot 7 and 8 bulls are full brothers and there is 23lbs of difference in bw.

 

[dun]

The lot 7 and 8 bulls are full brothers and there is 23lbs of difference in bw.

What kind of accuracy do the parents EPDs show. This link may be of interest.
http://redangus.org/genetics/epd-possible-change

 

[strihafarms]

Seems like a pretty big potential range for ce to fluctuate.

 

[dun]

Seems like a pretty big potential range for ce to fluctuate.

It depends on the accuracy

 

[double v]

On the ET's what kind of cattle were the recip's, could have plenty to do with the actual BW's?

 

[strihafarms]

That's what the breeder told me. Big, heavy milking recips make bigger BWs. I was wondering if he was pulling my leg or if it is true. I know the breeder fairly well so I don't believe he would lie about it but I like as much reassurance as possible.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Just how would the Recip have any thing to do with the BW ? She contributes nothing to the genetics of the calf.

 

[dun]

Just how would the Recip have any thing to do with the BW ? She contributes nothing to the genetics of the calf.

True, but she's the oven that it is cooked in.