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What Red Angus bulls make the best females? I have a couple of Red Angus cows that I am going to be flushing to start a new Red Angus program and wanted to start with a good foundation of cows that are very strong maternally. We will probably show a few of them that end up looking pretty but I am more interested in stout, functional, easy fleshing, deep sided, maternal cows to try to sell replacement heifers from. I probably won't be trying to sell too many bulls, it's hard to sell red bulls to commercial guys in Indiana, but I think that I could get by selling red heifers a bit easier. One of the donor cows has King Rob and Rambo in her and the other one I might flush this year has Romeo and Badlands Mr. Beef in her pedigree.
 
I wanted to make sure that your Romeo is tested OSF, otherwise it might be a waste of your money to flush her. How is the udder on the King Rob? If you want nice cows, you might try a Rambler son or a Buf Crk Hobo 1961. BHR Logan 34B - he is at Broken Heart Ranch. The pictures of his daughters are super for udder and production. Contact Lazy Ace on here.
 
Yeah, the Romeo is OSF. The "King Rob" influenced cow is actually out of Red Spread. She has a pretty functional udder. I haven't seen it right before calving but it appears pretty decent. Ideally I would probably refine the teats some but I think it is pretty functional.

I have kicked around the idea of trying Norseman King. Seems like he has been used pretty successfully in quite a few herds. I will look into the Rambler, Hobo and Logan bulls mentioned by BA. I have some semen coming from the Diamond T Hips Stout bull that Brylor is promoting as well. Have any of you seen or used any of the Northline Rob Roy genetics? He was one of the first Red Angus Bulls that I really studied a picture of and it made a pretty good impression on me a few years ago. I wanted to try some stuff that is recognizable, yet not get caught up in using the same bull as everyone else so that there is still a market for the calves to other seedstock guys too.

Thanks for all of the advice.
 
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NK is a worry for me. I don't like his CEM and saw one catalog that had 5 sons out of about 18 bulls. The pelvic area on the NK sons was about 135 while the average is 175 for the set of bulls. That is scary to me. Brylor is good at promotion, the bulls I listed aren't necessarily popular at this point, but good for females - so they may not work for you.
 
Best is a relative term. To an extent it will depend on what your own definition of best is in regards to your type and structure preferences when it comes to females. Best females for fertility? Or for feet, or for udders, or for mothering ability, or for performance, or for fleshing, or for disposition, or for calving ease, or for longevity? If we are really being hopeful all things combined. Then there are the epd's? In addition depending on the strengths and weaknesses of the cows that are being bred you are never 100% assured what any mating will produce.

That being said though the Buffalo Creek VC Chief 105 bred cattle have proven themselves overtime to be very structurally correct functional mother cows. A grandson of his, BHR Logan 734B has had enough time and progeny to make him a good bet IMO.
I am sure that is the same bull BA suggested he just accidentally missed the 7.

Dylan Biggs

Below is the description of 734B and his progeny from the BHR website.


BHR Logan 734B

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Logan 734b is one of the best bulls we have ever raised. He sires daughters that are deep made and thick. The udder quality and foot structure is unmatched. When you go to tag a newborn calf all you need to do is look at the udder and you know it is a Logan 734b daughter. .The top selling bred heifer at the 2006 North Dakota Red Select sale was a Dakota Copper out of a Logan 734b daughter and the top selling heifer calf was a Brown Vacation daughter out of a Logan 734B daughter. 734B is in the top one percent of the breed for marbling.
 
BA":3othmowj said:
NK is a worry for me. I don't like his CEM and saw one catalog that had 5 sons out of about 18 bulls. The pelvic area on the NK sons was about 135 while the average is 175 for the set of bulls. That is scary to me.
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I tend to agree. This has crossed him off my list. If you read the AI catalogs and they tout a bull for being highly maternal or "a real cow-maker" WATCH OUT and scrutinize that bull. The majority will have either a lousy CEM, throw poor udders, or have poor fertility/stayability numbers. So maybe they make great cows if they ever get that far. :mrgreen:

If I were you I would talk personally to a few breeders that have good maternal herds or have the type of cows you like and see what they have to offer for semen or advice. Buffalo Creek is a good maternal herd but I don't know if they have the type you are looking for. You just have to decide what you really want and talk to the people who have that type of cow.
 
Interesting on you guys' opinions on NK. Must be the cows he was used on because we haven't had any problems, I don't think we've culled any of his offspring yet.
 
The best udder fixer I've seen is Basin Hobo 79E. I think bull barn may still have some.
 

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