Quick question

[rosiegoat]

This happened 10 years ago, but bear with me & tell me what you think....

We had 2 holestein steers about 7-8 months old. Both on the same pasture, grain (16% dairy), and hay (regular grass hay).
Both were cauterized when newborns with caustic paste on the horn buds.

Ok, one starts walking tight circles, bawling non-stop. You can't even lead him, he's out of it. We manage to get him into the barn, when he goes down. He dies about 15-20 minutes later. Kicking & thrashing, bawling the whole time. Really bad. From start to finish, this lasted around 1 hour. He was stiff instantly after death. Had a heck of a time getting him out of the barn. We had the vet called, but he arrived too late. He did necropsy the head & internal organs, found nothing abnormal. So we buried him.

Other calf grows out to 18 months old & was butchered.

What do you think could have happened? No obvious injuries to him.. The other calf was fine. Dh blames the caustic paste, but heck, that was 7-8 months prior.

Thanks

 

[Dusty Britches]

My guess is that he ate locol weed or some other toxic plant. It seems I heard about these symptoms before, but I can't recall exactly what it was.

 

[L Weir]

This happened 10 years ago, but bear with me & tell me what you think....

We had 2 holestein steers about 7-8 months old. Both on the same pasture, grain (16% dairy), and hay (regular grass hay).
Both were cauterized when newborns with caustic paste on the horn buds.

Ok, one starts walking tight circles, bawling non-stop. You can't even lead him, he's out of it. We manage to get him into the barn, when he goes down. He dies about 15-20 minutes later. Kicking & thrashing, bawling the whole time. Really bad. From start to finish, this lasted around 1 hour. He was stiff instantly after death. Had a heck of a time getting him out of the barn. We had the vet called, but he arrived too late. He did necropsy the head & internal organs, found nothing abnormal. So we buried him.

Other calf grows out to 18 months old & was butchered.

What do you think could have happened? No obvious injuries to him.. The other calf was fine. Dh blames the caustic paste, but heck, that was 7-8 months prior.


We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light. He said to give it a Muse shot to every calf that is born and it shouldn't get it. If you see a calf acting that way he said to give it a shot of Muse and it should stop it. And it does because our neighbors had a calf get white muscle, we gave it a shot and it stopped. The calf was up walking again.
Thanks

 

[msscamp]

We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light.

White muscle disease is caused by a lack of selenium.

 

[Roadapple]

It is rare for a vit. E deficiency to occur, but when it does, the signs are similar to those shown for a deficiency of selenium,..example, white muscle disease. Vit. E is associated with selenium in that availability of one is sparing of the other.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light.

White muscle disease is caused by a lack of selenium.

This is correct. And Pa is SE deficient. MuSe & BoSe is a SE supplement. All newborns should receive a shot, and all cattle should get SE in a mineral supplement year round.
This does NOT sound like SE deficiency (white muscle). There is a disease called "Circling Disease" - not sure what it is.
Doesn't Grass Tetany respond this way???
Anyway, I can pretty much assure you that the paste DID NOT DO THIS!!!

 

[Roadapple]

This happened 10 years ago, but bear with me & tell me what you think....

We had 2 holestein steers about 7-8 months old. Both on the same pasture, grain (16% dairy), and hay (regular grass hay).
Both were cauterized when newborns with caustic paste on the horn buds.

Ok, one starts walking tight circles, bawling non-stop. You can't even lead him, he's out of it. We manage to get him into the barn, when he goes down. He dies about 15-20 minutes later. Kicking & thrashing, bawling the whole time. Really bad. From start to finish, this lasted around 1 hour. He was stiff instantly after death. Had a heck of a time getting him out of the barn. We had the vet called, but he arrived too late. He did necropsy the head & internal organs, found nothing abnormal. So we buried him.

Other calf grows out to 18 months old & was butchered.

What do you think could have happened? No obvious injuries to him.. The other calf was fine. Dh blames the caustic paste, but heck, that was 7-8 months prior.


We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light. He said to give it a Muse shot to every calf that is born and it shouldn't get it. If you see a calf acting that way he said to give it a shot of Muse and it should stop it. And it does because our neighbors had a calf get white muscle, we gave it a shot and it stopped. The calf was up walking again.
Thanks

Just curious, but what has sunlight got to do with white muscle disease? I thought sunlight had something to do with vit. D not vit. E or selenium.

 

[Arnold Ziffle]

Listeriosis is aka "circling disease" -- rosiegoat, you might want to do a little reading on Listeriosis.

 

[L Weir]

We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light.

White muscle disease is caused by a lack of selenium.

I know white muscle is caused by lack of selenium. But cattle friend also said that lack of sunlight can sometimes cause it as well. I am just going by what someone else told me.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

We had that happen one time. A cattle friend told us it was probably white muscle from not getting enough sun light.

White muscle disease is caused by a lack of selenium.

I know white muscle is caused by lack of selenium. But cattle friend also said that lack of sunlight can sometimes cause it as well. I am just going by what someone else told me.

I think your friend is confused :shock:

 

[rkm]

I have lost cattle with cicling desease long time ago. I'm trying to remember but I think mold in corn silage was the culprit.