QUESTION? - Two of MANY Answers!!

DOC HARRIS

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There seems to be a constant "Tug-of-War" between whether beef producers should concentrate their genetic selection efforts toward increased Marbling - or - increased size of Rib Eye Area. In the last 25 years or so, the on-going demanding trend has dictated that breeder's persist in getting higher and higher REA EPD's and, at the SAME time, higher Marbling EPD's. It has been said that the two traits are antagonistic to each other - that is, if one trait is increased, it tends to lower the other characteristic in the mating protocols. Perhaps the actual facts remain to be proven - however - we do know that flavor and desirable taste of beef products go hand-in-hand with high Marbling percentages.

What about the question of "What should be the size of a Retail Market Rib Eye to be expedient AND pragmatic?" There are probably as many answers to that question as there are people who answer it.

In the February 2007 edition of "BEEF Magazine" there appears an article titled "BIG Beef Buyers, wherein beef buyers for McDonald's. Outback, and Wal-Mart were questioned, and I thought that two of the questions and the accompanying answers were of significant interest as to be brought to the attention of the reader's of this Board.

Question #1 - "How is the aging demographic changing the restaurant business?" (That means "Senior Citizen" Beef Customers.)
Answer to Question #1 by David Burns of "Outback Steakhouse" - "Some consumers are trending down a little bit on portion size, and we're trying to give the consumer exactly what they're asking for. That's one reason we've added a smaller sirloin and a smaller filet." (My emphasis added).

Question #2 - "Regarding carcass and portion size, if cattle size is such a problem, why aren't they discounted more in the marketplace?"
Answer to Question #2 by Tony Ribble of "Wal-Mart Supercenters" - "Wal-Mart doesn't buy carcasses, we buy cuts of beef, but carcass size is a problem in our company. For example, if you take a ribeye that's 16-17 lbs. and try to put four of those in a family pack, which is our normal specificatfion, it doesn't work because it doesn't fit. So we end up having to put three in the package and reduce the size of the package. That costs us sales."

I consider these answers very revealing, and Beef Producers should take a VERY hard look at the FUTURE of THEIR business - and their Cattle Breeding plans for the future - inasmuch as these three companies alone account for literally BILLIONS of dollars worth of Beef Purchases yearly, and they are demanding SMALLER and ". . .great, high-quality Choice, thick steaks with a lot of marbling; and they want it fresh, of course"!

These two answers should be sufficient to keep you awake at night, planning your next ten years breeding protocols! Do you still want to raise 1400-1600+ lb. brood cows with low marbling and funnel butts??

Think about it when you decide on Replacement Heifers and your next generation Herd Bulls!

DOC HARRIS
 
Doc, It's not so much that we are trying to get the Ribeye's bigger. It's because there has been a tremendous amount of "Muscle" loss in cattle in the past few years.

Ribeye size is highly correlated to "lean meat yield" in cattle.

I believe the antagonistic correlation between ribeye size and marbling is -.02, if I remember correctly.

Back in the late 80's and early 90's, the general public was told to eat leaner beef because of the cholesteral content of beef and it's adversarial effects. We have since found out that the "Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils" are what is clogging arteries, not necessarily beef fat. Some of the Omega Fatty Acids in beef actually reverse those effects.

That, coupled with the determination by especially Tyson, that a packer can process a 900 lb carcass for the same price as a 600 lb carcass......... plus the Choice to Select Spread was not conducive to raising animals that graded Choice and Prime.

Single trait selection has bit us in the butt again.

Read this article carefully:

http://beef-mag.com/mag/beef_gone_flabby/
 
Single trait selection has bit us in the butt again.
MikeC -
I hope that you aren't suggesting that I am advocating "Single Trait Selection"!

I would hope that you know me better than that, Mike!

DOC HARRIS
 
DOC HARRIS":nn7ig5x0 said:
Single trait selection has bit us in the butt again.
MikeC -
I hope that you aren't suggesting that I am advocating "Single Trait Selection"!

I would hope that you know me better than that, Mike!

DOC HARRIS

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying the selection for "Growth" was a single trait selection used extensively and bit us in the butt.

By doing so we lost both muscling and marbling.
 
http://beef-mag.com/mag/beef_gone_flabby/
As this link states "This reality speaks to a growing paradox."

PARADOX is Right! What it boils down to is - you are "Be Niced" if you do and "Be Niced" if you don't. This is an example of the dilemma's facing most breeder's of beef cattle and makes breeding them difficult at best.

My advice; learn EVERYTHING that you can about your BU$INE$$ - and then pray that you know enough to break even with your decisions!

In reading this article - CAREFULLY - it seems that "Funnel Butts" find their way into the "Breed Differences" statistics more than just coincidentally! . . .and I am not 'Bashing' any breed - just certain genetic lines 'within' breeds, . . . and the thoughtless breeders who mate Beef Cattle!

DOC HARRIS
 
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MikeC":22k4vbcc said:
DOC HARRIS":22k4vbcc said:
Single trait selection has bit us in the butt again.
MikeC -
I hope that you aren't suggesting that I am advocating "Single Trait Selection"!

I would hope that you know me better than that, Mike!

DOC HARRIS

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying the selection for "Growth" was a single trait selection used extensively and bit us in the butt.

By doing so we lost both muscling and marbling.
And I say "AMEN" to that, Mike!

DOC HARRIS
 
I guess i've always kind of wondered just how these guys who finish cattle go about selecting calves. I imagine that they have a certain target finish weight, but when that calf is walking around that show ring for that 30 seconds while they are bidding on him, how do they know what the size of that animal will be when he's finished. I guess back when the breeds were all different colors that the buyer could recognize a Simmental vs a Charolais vs an Angus, but now that they are all black, how does that buyer know what genetics are in that calf? I guess i know as a cow/calf guy that I select for cows that are in that 1200 lb range. However, I know lots of guys in my area that have cows that average 1600 lbs plus and I even saw one guy awhile back who was raising Maine Anjou x Red Angus and I'll bet his cows averaged close to 2000 lbs. So, how then do we keep a consistent product going to the consumer with variations in weight like that? I imagine those calves have to grow up a certain amount before they can finish out and once that feeder has paid for those calves, I doubt he's going to cull just because the frame size is too big. Just my thoughts.
 
Doc:
you forgot to paste in the part about Walmart injecting beef flavoring into their beef products.
 
Aero":3hmbtvta said:
Doc:
you forgot to paste in the part about Walmart injecting beef flavoring into their beef products.
Yeah, I didn't want to paste the entire article because I thought that I might have to get "permission to use" documents, but you are right - they did say that! I wonder if they recommend Lawrey's or A-1 Sauce or "Cat-Sup" (Weird name!)

DOC HARRIS
 

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