Question for Black Hereford Breeders

not a breeder
but the way i understand it, is if the calf has a black hereford sire or dam it can be registered with the black hereford assoc.
 
Rules & Regulation:

Rule 2.2, A-3:

A bull, cow or steer must have black hair color and it must be supported by a color photograph of the animal which will be a permanent part of the breed's registry.
 
So without reading the rules :oops: , A black hereford x black angus can be reg. as a black hereford? even with a brockel face? Now I'll go search the rules.

Alan
 
CPL":bdyxmebb said:
Rules & Regulation:

Rule 2.2, A-3:

A bull, cow or steer must have black hair color and it must be supported by a color photograph of the animal which will be a permanent part of the breed's registry.

So then the question remains why is there a space to indicate color on the Black Hereford registration application?
 
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im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy
 
Canadian_Cowgirl":2tqel0ip said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

I think all these new black breeds are due to CAB. The funny thing is a Black Hereford will qualify for CAB but not CHB.

Alan
 
Canadian_Cowgirl":vn04oo1v said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

The Black Hereford Association is separate from the American and Canadian Hereford Associations. Black animals are not allowed in these two associations, not now, not ever. Some people just can't stand the thought of have a COMMERCIAL black baldy herd. Gotta make themselves feel important and register everything under the sun.
 
I think i'll start breeding a line of white aberdeen angus. What next? People calling crossbreds purebreds and selling them. Oh yeah that is ABHA. Too bad these people are prohibited by law from selling snake oil like their for fathers used to.
 
Alan":14yjsh8w said:
Canadian_Cowgirl":14yjsh8w said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

I think all these new black breeds are due to CAB. The funny thing is a Black Hereford will qualify for CAB but not CHB.

Alan

Though I'm not an authority on CHB, as I read this the Black Hereford does qualify http://www.herefordbeef.org/AHA/tabID__ ... tabID=3512 :?: Of course they have to be black by way of British breeding and not exotic.
 
farmwife":1tdzwuo3 said:
Alan":1tdzwuo3 said:
Canadian_Cowgirl":1tdzwuo3 said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

I think all these new black breeds are due to CAB. The funny thing is a Black Hereford will qualify for CAB but not CHB.

Alan

Though I'm not an authority on CHB, as I read this the Black Hereford does qualify http://www.herefordbeef.org/AHA/tabID__ ... tabID=3512 :?: Of course they have to be black by way of British breeding and not exotic.

I don't know why I'm always under the impression to qualify for CHB the animal has to be 51% red. I have done a couple of searches but can't find the official regulations for CHB.

Alan
 
Alan":4d5ro7ui said:
farmwife":4d5ro7ui said:
Alan":4d5ro7ui said:
Canadian_Cowgirl":4d5ro7ui said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

I think all these new black breeds are due to CAB. The funny thing is a Black Hereford will qualify for CAB but not CHB.

Alan

Though I'm not an authority on CHB, as I read this the Black Hereford does qualify http://www.herefordbeef.org/AHA/tabID__ ... tabID=3512 :?: Of course they have to be black by way of British breeding and not exotic.

I don't know why I'm always under the impression to qualify for CHB the animal has to be 51% red. I have done a couple of searches but can't find the official regulations for CHB.

Alan

The USDA has reorganized their webiste and done away with the page I usually reference. But here's one with the live animal specs for CHB:

http://prod.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfil ... RDC5062668

And more on quality and yield requirments:

http://prod.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfil ... DEV3016182
 
Alan":3ih3gc23 said:
farmwife":3ih3gc23 said:
Alan":3ih3gc23 said:
Canadian_Cowgirl":3ih3gc23 said:
im sorry, i love black/white face cattle, but why ruin a good breed?? "if it aint broke dont fix it" Im pretty sure Herefords aint broke!! What happened to the original breeds? What was wrong with them? Its not like your making the breed any better just changing the color, IMO. If you want a black cow, go buy an angus, stop messing up the original breeds.


Katy

I think all these new black breeds are due to CAB. The funny thing is a Black Hereford will qualify for CAB but not CHB.

Alan

Though I'm not an authority on CHB, as I read this the Black Hereford does qualify http://www.herefordbeef.org/AHA/tabID__ ... tabID=3512 :?: Of course they have to be black by way of British breeding and not exotic.

I don't know why I'm always under the impression to qualify for CHB the animal has to be 51% red. I have done a couple of searches but can't find the official regulations for CHB.

Alan

If it has a registered Hereford parent and is all English it qualifies for CHB. Also if it LOOKS like it is half Hereford x English (ie a Black Baldie) to a meat plant employee it qualifies for CHB. Where the Black Herefords would run into trouble is trying to qualify solid blacks and brockle faced calves. According to my reading of the rules those should NOT qualify for CHB.
 
farmwife":3d5l0tzm said:
Why is there a column for color on the registration application?

I just want to know if I can register my Hereford Brangus croses as Super Black Herefords. Heck they all have papers on them I keep some on every tractor in case there is a pain.
 
Caustic Burno":2qvxflvs said:
farmwife":2qvxflvs said:
Why is there a column for color on the registration application?

I just want to know if I can register my Hereford Brangus croses as Super Black Herefords. Heck they all have papers on them I keep some on every tractor in case there is a pain.

Hereford needs to do like Shorthorn and create an appendix registry where Hereford times anything registered or not can be registerd as an "appendix Hereford". Just cash the people's check, send them a shingle, and spend their money.
 
Angus is apparently headed that direction:

"American Angus Association Launches
New Company to Address Beef Industry Needs
July 26, 2007

The American Angus AssociationSM Board of Directors recently voted to authorize the formation of a new company. Angus Genetics Inc. (AGI) will conduct business as the Beef Improvement Company and will focus on the genetic evaluation of cattle traits.

In addition, it will conduct research and implement new technology, including DNA, for use throughout the beef industry. The new company evolved as a result of ongoing input from registered seedstock suppliers and the beef industry stressing the need for more accurate evaluation tools for all Angus genetics used in the commercial beef sector.

The genetic evaluation of beef cattle in the U.S. gained momentum in the mid-1970s and was initially undertaken by individual breed associations. Each association was responsible for performance data collection and the reporting of the data.

The complexity of data analysis led associations to seek support from land-grant universities. By the 1980s, land-grant universities were responsible for performing the genetic evaluation of most registered seedstock in the U.S. A more recent shift in university resources and philosophy make it necessary for beef industry entities to assume responsibility for genetic analysis, while the land-grant university systems will focus more toward research.

While the American Angus Association is the world’s largest beef cattle registry, Angus influence in other U.S. beef breed registries is reported to be as high as 50% of total registrations where percentage, hybrid or composite cattle can be recorded. A genetic evaluation process using the largest, most influential genetic database ultimately provides the beef industry with more reliable genetic information.

The American Angus Association is responding to the beef industry by accepting a leadership role regarding the advancement of science and technology. Beef Improvement Company will continue developing technology, using sound science and best practices, for use by Angus breeders, commercial beef producers and the beef industry.

The American Angus Association, with headquarters in Saint Joseph, Mo., provides programs and services to more than 34,000 members and thousands of commercial cattle producers. Its entities include Angus Productions Inc., Certified Angus Beef LLC, and Angus Genetics Inc. (wholly owned subsidiaries) and the Angus Foundation, a not-for-profit organization that supports education, youth and research."

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/bi_Content ... tID=147799
 
Caustic Burno":ddfgtq4d said:
farmwife":ddfgtq4d said:
Why is there a column for color on the registration application?

I just want to know if I can register my Hereford Brangus croses as Super Black Herefords. Heck they all have papers on them I keep some on every tractor in case there is a pain.

CB, looking at the website you might even be able to register the ones with the recessive red color.
 

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