Pop quiz

[Sir Loin]

Pop quiz

What is the number one illness that effects cattle most?
What is number 2?
SL

 

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Dengue fever of course. :o

 

[Isomade]

My guess would be "Google Disease". Where cattle research people information on the computer all day and post it on People Today, hoping to sound smarter to all the other cattle on the people today website. What did I win?

 

[Anonymous]

Nothing Iso, because you forgot the part where the cattle simply cut and paste snippets of the info out of context and then site a vague source all the while claiming it as first hand knowledge. What do I win?

 

[HEREFORD ROADHOG]

Easy, respiratory disease

 

[Ouachita]

I would have to guess that the #1 disease affecting cattle, is human incompetance

 

[Sir Loin]

Now that boycott didn’t last long did it!
FYI: Fact: boycotts never work. Cause of one of those “supply and demand” thingees.

For those who are here to learn and hold a serious discussion, just ignore the children with ego problems.
It won’t make them go away, but it will let them make an even bigger fool of themselves and the jocularity factor just might be worth our tolerance.
SL.

 

[Sir Loin]

The answer to my question is BRD ( Bovine respiratory disease )
If you think I am incorrect please feel free to disagree. And if you have a source to support your position I would be happy to read it in it‘s entirety, just furnish me the URL.

The reason I pulled this pop quiz is I need someone to do some independent research.
This is not an ego trip for me, nor is it to prove anyone right or wrong or make anyone feel foolish.
I just need to have some independent research done.
If you did not get BRD, please do some research for me, while learning about BRD because if you are in the cattle business, you will inevitably have to deal with it.

If you take on my request here is what I want to know:
1. What are the causes ?
2. What is obviously missing from the overall picture of BRD?

Take your time and think it through and thanks in advance for your help.
SL

 

[IluvABbeef]

Respiratory disease, of course, seen it all the time and every time we got our little feeder steers. Of course my other guess was bloat, or BVD, though bloat is not exactly a disease per se but an anti-quality factor, and BVD is only *common* among cow herds, not other types of cattle like feeders and stockers.

Have to bite here: Causes are primarily from suppressed immune system due to stress from rough handling, being separated so soon from their dams, dust, and probably even from other bacteria in the soil of the home farm from other previous cases, but I'm not sure on that one.

Not sure about #2, since it's not so obvious to me (yet). Maybe lack of proper vaccination program for BRD, or not enough low-stress handling practices....something like that.

 

[Sir Loin]

IluvABbeef
No & no,

 

[Kathie in Thorp]

SL, you've smacked a lot of folks on this board directly in the face before. Just lately, you've been asking for alot of help on pretty common questions. What's the deal, that you want independent research done via the board people?

 

[Sir Loin]

Kathie in Thorp

Re:

Just lately, you've been asking for alot of help on pretty common questions. What's the deal, that you want independent research done via the board people?

Well, there has been a lot of complaints about people’s attitudes, fighting and bickering etc etc
And I feel I am always in the middle of it, and partly the blame for some of it, so I decided to put an end to it on my part. And I am unanimous on that.

I came to this board to have healthy discussions and debates with what I thought were professional business people with the intent on leaning and sharing my knowledge with others. I didn’t expect every one to agree with me, but nor did I expect to come under personal attack from those who disagreed with me.
On all the other professional boards that I have been on, a persons views/opinions were always respected no matter how hard you disagreed with them and the discussions/debates ended with two people agreeing to disagree.

I am taking the lead in attempting to make this board what it should be seen as in the public’s eyes.
If I fail I will most likely take one more swing and I am out of here.

Now if you’re asking me if there is a motive behind my pop quiz, of course there is, or I wouldn’t have asked the question.
Have a nice night

SL

 

[greatgerts]

I would have to guess that the #1 disease affecting cattle, is human incompetance

That would be my guess

 

[greatgerts]

Kathie in Thorp

Re:

Just lately, you've been asking for alot of help on pretty common questions. What's the deal, that you want independent research done via the board people?

Well, there has been a lot of complaints about people’s attitudes, fighting and bickering etc etc
And I feel I am always in the middle of it, and partly the blame for some of it, so I decided to put an end to it on my part. And I am unanimous on that.

I came to this board to have healthy discussions and debates with what I thought were professional business people with the intent on leaning and sharing my knowledge with others. I didn’t expect every one to agree with me, but nor did I expect to come under personal attack from those who disagreed with me.
On all the other professional boards that I have been on, a persons views/opinions were always respected no matter how hard you disagreed with them and the discussions/debates ended with two people agreeing to disagree.

I am taking the lead in attempting to make this board what it should be seen as in the public’s eyes.
If I fail I will most likely take one more swing and I am out of here.

Now if you’re asking me if there is a motive behind my pop quiz, of course there is, or I wouldn’t have asked the question.
Have a nice night

SL

So what is the motive? Couldn't you have just researched it yourself and posted links to your findings?

 

[Sir Loin]

greatgerts

So what is the motive?

That will be divulged when the quiz is over.


Re:

Couldn't you have just researched it yourself and posted links to your findings?

Yes I could, but then it wouldn’t be an independent study now would it!

Example:
I take 100 volunteers and put 3 glasses of a drink in front to them and tell them I want them to taste all 3 drinks and I tell them to put the drink they like the best on the table one foot in front of the 2 drinks they like the least.
That is an example of a scientific independent study.
If I tell them what I am researching, that taints the study because they do not need to know the motive to conduct the study.
In any study group they should be on a need to know basis only to be completely independent.

Now as psychological demographics studies has shown this study group will form the opinion that this study has something to do with taste. But that opinion was not formed from any information given to them it was form from their own common sense.
Is that not the same conclusion you have come to now?

Then there is the fact that through psychological demographics studies, in today’s world, about half the population believe it is OK to lie, cheat and steal, which will further flaw the study should the real motive for the study be known.

Now here is the motivation for this example study, along with it’s unflawed scientifically proven results, which can from now on be know as “common sense tells me” as any one can duplicate this study and get the same results. If they don’t get the same results you will automatically know their study if flawed as this study is not.
Now does anyone disagree with those statements?
Do you have any reason to believe that this example study is flawed?
Do you believe that the results of study are not scientifically obtained and should not be stated as scientific fact which will dictate common sense?


Got to go to work now.
TBC
SL

 

[momt5]

Sir Lion:

The Oklahoma Beef Extension has a great web site with lots of information. While I don't understand all of it, your question let me to this article regarding preconditioning for the health of your cattle:

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare ... 529web.pdf

Effects of Preconditioning on Health, Performance and Prices of Weaned Calves

Summary

Bovine respiratory disease costs the beef industry because affected animals have reduced performance, increased cost of production, and reduced carcass quality. Based on the limited data available, preconditioning (defined as the combination of appropriate vaccination, 45-day weaning and balanced nutrition) significantly reduces morbidity and mortality as well as improving weight gain and feed efficiency. Data is not available documenting the potential benefits of preconditioning relative to carcass quality. Further information is needed to better identify the true value of preconditioning programs in different situations. This information is necessary to forecast a realistic price that buyers can pay for preconditioned calves, while allowing cow/calf producers to reap some of the added value. Conservatively, preconditioning may capture $50 to $75 per head of additional value from weaning through the packing phase compared to a production system where weaning, vaccination, and other management practices associated with preconditioning occur after shipment from the ranch of origin.


As I don't know anything and am just learning was this the direction you were going? If not, I'll research further as this is a good way for me to learn.

Thanks,
MomT5

 

[Sir Loin]

Mom,
Yes that is the proper direct.
Now, from your own independent personal research which mostly comes from scientific studies, do you agree with me that:

By SL

Q. What is the number one illness that effects cattle most?
The answer to my question is BRD ( Bovine respiratory disease )

1. Are you now saying my answer is correct and you agree with me?
All I am doing is trying to establish a censuses of opinion on the question.
SL

PS I have a message for you. It is hidden here:
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Your perfect farm would be?
by Sir Loin » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:43 am


I left it for Dave, but it aplies to you as well, take a look see.

 

[IluvABbeef]

IluvABbeef
No & no,

:bs: :bs: After doing a little research I found it actually depends on what part of BRD you're referring to. The most common and well-known type of BRD is the shipping fever/pneumonia complex is caused by three things: the host, being the cattle themselves and how they are susceptible to this disease based on their age, sex (though in this case BRD is not sex specific), and state of health based on their immunity to the disease and nutritional levels. Second causitive agent is the agent, being the bacteria including Histophilis somni, Mannheimia haemolytica, or Pasteurella multocida. Lastly, the environment is cause to how an animal contracts BRD, as mentioned before and in the quote below. The management practices are what tie all three of these together. Management can directly or indirectly affect the environment of the host as follows:

Multiple stress factors [..which..] contribute to the suppression of host defense mechanisms. Transportation over long distances serves as a stressor; it may be associated with exhaustion, starvation, dehydration, chilling and overheating depending on weather conditions, and exposure to vehicle exhaust fumes. Additional stressors include passage through auction markets; commingling, processing, and surgical procedures on arrival at the feedlot; dusty environmental conditions; and nutritional stress associated with a change to high-energy rations in the feedlot.

What can be done about it? Read here:

Prevention of shipping fever pneumonia should focus on reduction of the stressors that contribute to development of the disease. Cattle should be assembled rapidly into groups, and new animals should not be introduced to established groups. Auction markets and mixing of cattle from different sources should be avoided if possible. Transport time should be minimized, and rest periods, with access to feed and water, should be provided during prolonged transport. Calves should be weaned 2-3 wk before shipment, and surgical procedures should be performed in advance of transport. Cattle should be processed within 48 hr after arrival at the feedlot. A rest period of 6-12 hr after transport may allow for rehydration and return of cortisol to levels that will have less impact on the immune response to vaccination. Adaptation to high-energy rations should be gradual as acidosis, indigestion, and anorexia may inhibit the immune response. Vitamin and mineral deficiencies should be corrected. Dust control measures should be used. Metaphylaxis with long-acting antibiotics given “on arrival” for cattle at high risk for developing shipping fever pneumonia has been shown to significantly reduce morbidity and improve rate of gain.

All from the great Merck Veterinary Manual.

Also from the same source, are other vectors (agents which cause the bacterial or viral infection) of BRD such as BRSV (Bovine Respiratory Synctial Virus), PI3 (which can be attributed to BRD), Enzoonotic Pneumonia of calves, BVDV, Bovine Herpesvirus 1, etc. Then we get a whole pile of bacteria pneumonia associated with BRD: Pneumoinic Pasteurellosis, Mycoplasmal Pnueomina, and Chlamydial Pnuemonia. There's a whole list that can be found HERE.

So there's your answer, unless of course you've got something else up your sleeves that you're not letting us in on, like some psychological evaluation to try to shrink our heads with. :D

 

[Sir Loin]

IluvABbeef

As I am real short on time, and it will get worse in the neat future as I have to decide to come out of retirement o not and go back into the cattle business and the added work load of trying to put this deal together, I will give you my conclusion if a “matter of fact“ statement and leave ya’ll with it to kick around.

Fact: it has been scientifically proved that the number one illness that effects cattle most is BRD.

Re:
What is obviously missing from the overall picture of BRD?
Fact IMO: There is no mention of water in any of the studies.


What are the causes ?
Fact IMO: In one word: Overcrowding.
SL

 

[momt5]

Mom,
Yes that is the proper direct.
Now, from your own independent personal research which mostly comes from scientific studies, do you agree with me that:

By SL

Q. What is the number one illness that effects cattle most?
The answer to my question is BRD ( Bovine respiratory disease )

1. Are you now saying my answer is correct and you agree with me? *****I don't have enough information yet to answer***
All I am doing is trying to establish a censuses of opinion on the question.
SL

PS I have a message for you. It is hidden here:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=75938&start=90
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Your perfect farm would be?
by Sir Loin » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:43 am


I left it for Dave, but it aplies to you as well, take a look see.

I like this version better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90hZdBhY ... re=related ****following my dream will give my heart peace****.