Piney Woods Cattle

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hurleyjd":2bs4xrb1 said:
Here is a link to the Kerr Center about the Piney Woods Cattle. I think it would be interesting to have some and help the breed get re-established. What does everone else think.

http://www.kerrcenter.com/nwsltr/2007/f ... ywoods.htm
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Looks to me like someone got a grant to preserve a breed which had little influence on modern cattle. Funny that a center which promotes "sustainable ag" would be preserving a breed meant to run in the woods. Cattle just kill a forest. The "sustainable" thing just keeps getting weirder.
 
I believe the type forest you run cattle in will determine whether or not it is bad for the forest. In the pine flatwoods cattle help the forest tremendously by eating down brush and other undesirables and maintaining a clean understory which is fantastic habitat for quail, turkey and deer. Remove cattle, and you have a serious fire hazard and the habitat for quail and turkey is diminished tremendously. I wish all my woods were fenced. An old saying here is, "the woods may not be great for cattle but cattle are great for the woods".
 
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TNMasterBeefProducer":2rk0kn9r said:
Hmmmmmmm polled longhorns. Kind of defeats the purpose of owning longhorns dont ya think?
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:lol: You get all the benefits (colors and low prices) with no "danger" from those big stickers(like you said the whole point)! I know - I have some muley "longhorns" - weird looking cows. One has red ears and a red fuzzy topnot - we call her the Punk Cow because she looks like she is sporting a dyed mohawk.
 
Jogeephus":2cg6awr8 said:
I believe the type forest you run cattle in will determine whether or not it is bad for the forest. In the pine flatwoods cattle help the forest tremendously by eating down brush and other undesirables and maintaining a clean understory which is fantastic habitat for quail, turkey and deer. Remove cattle, and you have a serious fire hazard and the habitat for quail and turkey is diminished tremendously. I wish all my woods were fenced. An old saying here is, "the woods may not be great for cattle but cattle are great for the woods".
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I have a few arcres of hardwoods in Classified Forest. First thing, they make you fence out the cattle. Are pines different from hardwoods in that?
 
john250":2m6yk8rg said:
Jogeephus":2m6yk8rg said:
I believe the type forest you run cattle in will determine whether or not it is bad for the forest. In the pine flatwoods cattle help the forest tremendously by eating down brush and other undesirables and maintaining a clean understory which is fantastic habitat for quail, turkey and deer. Remove cattle, and you have a serious fire hazard and the habitat for quail and turkey is diminished tremendously. I wish all my woods were fenced. An old saying here is, "the woods may not be great for cattle but cattle are great for the woods".
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I have a few arcres of hardwoods in Classified Forest. First thing, they make you fence out the cattle. Are pines different from hardwoods in that?
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I think the problem with hardwoods is the fommes (sp?) fungus will enter the tree and make it hollow if you get the least bit of damage on the base of the tree. Here, we try to eliminate upland hardwoods with prescribed burning since in our ecosystem, hardwoods shouldn't be on the "hills" but confined to the bottoms. Our "hills" are made up a wiregrass and other native grasses which are excellent feed for cattle at certain times of the year.

Also, thinned pines don't block sunlight getting to the understory as much as hardwoods will. It seems this trait would also create a lot of difference in what you can and can't grow in the understory and would have a significant difference on the feasibility of grazing woodlands.
 
I sent an e-mail to the Kerr Center this week. Jim Combs replied and requested my phone number. I sent it and he called and we visited for about an hour. Jim has been in the cow business all his life. He said the goal of the Kerr fondation is to improve this strain of cows and maybe help re-establish it as a major breed. Possible maybe yes. The answer will be sometime in the future. (To Jim62, I asked how the funded the program.)It seems that Robert Kerr left a trust fund to fund all of the Kerr centers activity. Any project has to support itself. Jim said that he has to keep books and make the cows fund all of the expenses. The Kerr center furnished the seed money and has to be paid back. He also said that each endevour that the fondation takes on has to be profitable. Thier goal is to improve the land and the people that uses the lands life.
 

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