Pete Rose!
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Horticattleman
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He did what everybody else didn't...got caught!
Horticattleman
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Amen to that. I personally look at the players of today and what some of what they get away with and just shake my head that a great player like Rose is made out to be such an outcast.
He deserves to be in the HOF
He deserves to be in the HOF
john250
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Very little athletic talent, really. Did it all with desire and focus.
Focus, for instance. I heard him quoted as saying, proudly: "I was sued for divorce and paternity in the same week and I still went 14 for 36."
I'd let him in the Hall, if it was my decision. With an asterisk. Way over 4000 hits. But, Shoeless Joe is still waiting and he was VERY unfairly accused.
Focus, for instance. I heard him quoted as saying, proudly: "I was sued for divorce and paternity in the same week and I still went 14 for 36."
I'd let him in the Hall, if it was my decision. With an asterisk. Way over 4000 hits. But, Shoeless Joe is still waiting and he was VERY unfairly accused.
ROCKSPRINGS
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At least he is from the USA,, unlike alot of the other pro baseball players.
Horticattleman
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I just saw in the paper whewre they listed the starting nine for each league, and in the AL ALL 9 were hispanic!
Bullbuyer
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A great player from a great era in baseball. Big Red Machine was one of the best teams ever to take the field. No steroids, just a player that actually gave 110% and loved the game. His exclusion is one reason I will never visit the HOF. I always thought the commissioner had something personal against Pete.
dun":38q1pddp said:
Wouldnt shock me if privately pete didnt even want in.
Lord knows he has made much more money than he ever would have if they had just put him in.
How many other players are we still talking about this long after they quit playing?
Pete was a gambler and he won this one.
MD
backhoeboogie
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That whole story sort of reminds me of the Jim Thorpe story.
Both men were deserving of better treatment.
Now days rapists are allowed to paly bball or box. Go figure.
Both men were deserving of better treatment.
Now days rapists are allowed to paly bball or box. Go figure.
stocky
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There are qualifications for entering Baseball's Hall of Fame. Character is one of them. Following the rules is another one of them. For longer than anyone can remember, there has been a sign in every professional clubhouse dealing with gambling. It says if you gamble on baseball games, you will be suspended for 1 year. If you gamble on games you are involved in, you will be suspended from baseball for life. Pete Rose bet on games he was involved in. What has professional baseball said since the beginning that the penalty would be? Seems very simple to me. There are players in the Hall that I wish they hadnt made it. There are players who never made it that I think should be in the Hall. The controversies over things like this keep baseball alive and young in our hearts. There are certain absolutes to protect the integrity of the game and there isnt any controversy about what the rule says in this case and what the penlty is. It is cut and dried, plain and simple
GMN
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Bullbuyer":2x214fjn said:
Shouldn't the baseball hall of fame be about how they played on the field their talent in the game, not what they did off the field?
Gail
VanC
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Somebody mentioned character. Because of his character off the field, namely the gambling, he should continue to be banned from baseball for life. Doesn't matter which team he bet on or whether he threw any games. He knew the rules and broke them, so he should suffer the consequences.
Because of his character, and his accomplishments, on the field, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Some choose to lump the two together, but, IMO, they are two different issues.
Because of his character, and his accomplishments, on the field, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Some choose to lump the two together, but, IMO, they are two different issues.
john250
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4,256 hits.
The record holder by a considerable margin.
The previous record holder was Ty Cobb and Ty is deservedly IN the HOF despite being a man who sharpened his spikes and was an unapologetic racist.
Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic who carried a telescope on the road to spy on the hotel rooms across the street.
Babe Ruth drank like a fish, knew the location of every bordello in the American league.
I know, two wrongs don't make a right. But, you cannot successfully argue that character is an established precedent for the HOF.
Sports and gambling have an uneasy relationship. People bet billions on the outcome of games and they want to know the contest is on the "up and up".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe "Sports Books" are only legal in NV. So a large portion of that betting is illegal. I'm not a bettor, other than a rare day at Churchill Downs. My limit is $20, if I have a strong hunch. But I could talk to other folks and find a half dozen guys in my county of 30 k pop. who would take a bet on any game of local interest. All off the record, of course.
So, the NFL and major league baseball get very tough on gambling, thus protecting the integrity of a mostly illegal business. Nothing that I know prohibits club OWNERS from placing a bet.
Well, none of this forgives Pete for betting. He shouldn't have done it and he knew that. He is paying the price. It seems to me that at some point soon the HOF needs to get an apology from Pete and make that part of the exhibit. But the HOF just cannot continue to ignore that extraordinary career.
One more paragraph.
I was privileged to have a good seat along the 3rd base line at old Crosley Field in Cincy when Pete and Johnny Bench engaged in a game of "burn out" at the end of warmups. "Burn Out" is where you try to throw the ball hard enough that it hurts the other guys hand to catch the ball. He throws it back and tries to hurt you. My judgement was that Pete won that contest too, although others might have called it a draw. A pleasant memory.
The record holder by a considerable margin.
The previous record holder was Ty Cobb and Ty is deservedly IN the HOF despite being a man who sharpened his spikes and was an unapologetic racist.
Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic who carried a telescope on the road to spy on the hotel rooms across the street.
Babe Ruth drank like a fish, knew the location of every bordello in the American league.
I know, two wrongs don't make a right. But, you cannot successfully argue that character is an established precedent for the HOF.
Sports and gambling have an uneasy relationship. People bet billions on the outcome of games and they want to know the contest is on the "up and up".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe "Sports Books" are only legal in NV. So a large portion of that betting is illegal. I'm not a bettor, other than a rare day at Churchill Downs. My limit is $20, if I have a strong hunch. But I could talk to other folks and find a half dozen guys in my county of 30 k pop. who would take a bet on any game of local interest. All off the record, of course.
So, the NFL and major league baseball get very tough on gambling, thus protecting the integrity of a mostly illegal business. Nothing that I know prohibits club OWNERS from placing a bet.
Well, none of this forgives Pete for betting. He shouldn't have done it and he knew that. He is paying the price. It seems to me that at some point soon the HOF needs to get an apology from Pete and make that part of the exhibit. But the HOF just cannot continue to ignore that extraordinary career.
One more paragraph.
I was privileged to have a good seat along the 3rd base line at old Crosley Field in Cincy when Pete and Johnny Bench engaged in a game of "burn out" at the end of warmups. "Burn Out" is where you try to throw the ball hard enough that it hurts the other guys hand to catch the ball. He throws it back and tries to hurt you. My judgement was that Pete won that contest too, although others might have called it a draw. A pleasant memory.
CUZ
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Horticattleman":155rji2x said:
Derek Jeter was born in Pequannock, New Jersey, to an African-American father, Charles Jeter, and an Irish-American mother, Dorothy.
Mark Loretta was born in Santa Monica, California.
Ichiro is Japanese.
Whatever paper you're reading needs a new fact checker.
Cuz
