Pastures not the best, but....

herofan

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I must admit, most of my pastures wouldn't win any prizes for visual appeal. The farm went unattended for several years, so things aren't at there best. There's a lot of iron weeds, briers, broomsedge, and some things that I'm not sure what they are. The cattle, however, seem to graze away happy as larks and appear very healthy.
It appears an unattractive field still provides plenty of food for cattle, right? Or is it one of those situations where some would argue that they have a full belly but aren't getting a lot of nutrients?

I do plan to revitalize the fields a few at a time.
 
Many of the things we consider as weeds are pretty good for cattle. Iron weed and briars are not good but keep the broom sage short and they will eat it also.
 
With plenty of moisture even poor pastures can hold up to heavy grazing. With out knowing your stocking rate, it's impossible to make any real constructive comments.
 
If they aren't getting the nutrients it's going to show up - poor growth, health problems, low condition score. Cattle that are growing well and larking around, probably not a worry.

It sounds like the sort of situation organic farmers run - mixed forage, low or nil fertiliser or chemical weed control, always looks sparse and yellow but they claim their cows are happier and healthier on it... if the stocking rate is low enough they do just fine. The biggest problem I had on a farm of that type was getting it to grow enough fodder to just keep a high enough stocking rate to be economic.
Pasture doesn't have to be pretty to perform well either.
 
Thanks for the responses. They were responses i actually liked reading. For once, something doesn't have to be perfect to work!
 
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That's all a person can do..improve it a little every year. And I agree, it's pretty amazing at what they will consume. I have seen them nibble on cat tails this time a year.
 
at my buddy's place the cows were eating canada thistles.. they'd learned how to do it.. the start at the top and take the whole thing into their mouth, then nip it off at the bottom. Probably how Hector got a thorn in his eye, unless he was just being a dumbarse.

Except for mustard against which there's no winning after reseeding, we really don't have any weeds here.. burdock and thistle get manually hacked, and we don't have much of anything else.. My pastures are however not in good shape production wise, I have a lot of fields that just refuse to produce for more than a year or two after reseeding.. some fields do well year in, year out.

My cows are perpetual complainers... as soon as the pasture isn't lush they bawl at me and expect to be fed... perhaps I lose a couple pounds of gain, but I ignore them and after a couple days of being fussy the stomach commands and they give up, and get out there and work for their food.
This year has been a really bad year for forages here.. the 108F weather we had in june stunted the growth of everything... first cut was good, second cut wouldn't grow worth a darn, and I did nothing but irrigate around here for 2 months.. it just sits there.. consequently, I'm getting rid of some cows and not selling any hay this year.
 
herofan":2m22y09q said:
I must admit, most of my pastures wouldn't win any prizes for visual appeal. The farm went unattended for several years, so things aren't at there best. There's a lot of iron weeds, briers, broomsedge, and some things that I'm not sure what they are. The cattle, however, seem to graze away happy as larks and appear very healthy.
It appears an unattractive field still provides plenty of food for cattle, right? Or is it one of those situations where some would argue that they have a full belly but aren't getting a lot of nutrients?

I do plan to revitalize the fields a few at a time.
A few weeds here and there isn't going to hurt anything, especially this time of year. They will actually provide shade to your grasses. Unless your weeds are completely solid to where they are choking out your grass.
One of the things I have been trying do is to leave my bushhog parked more than I have in the past. I feel like my pastures are more productive when I'm not constantly clipping them ...just to make them 'look good'. I think its a mistake to mow/clip in the heat of summer anyway.
Have you ever noticed how grass is usually better at the edge of the woods where it gets shaded part of the day. I think the weeds and other tall grasses do the same thing.
 
herofan":ypp1dyb3 said:
Thanks for the responses. They were responses i actually liked reading. For once, something doesn't have to be perfect to work!

Or possibly your view of perfection is not the same shared by cattle or nature and you are stuck in the mono-culture mindset. True, mono-cultures are good and have their place but if you study your forages you will see every plant species has a production and a rest period. Allowing "weeds" to grow in a pasture can add new forages which have varying growth periods which can extend the grazing period over that of a typical mono-culture. You may not see it yourself but if you watch your cattle they will help you see. Finding this balance is an art and cannot be taught but it can be learned thru close observation.

It is said, the best way to pay for an irrigation unit is to not to use it. Same with making making money off pasture. Let the cattle do the mowing and let your job be to arrange things where they can do their job.
 
Jogeephus":2lu551ks said:
herofan":2lu551ks said:
Thanks for the responses. They were responses i actually liked reading. For once, something doesn't have to be perfect to work!

Or possibly your view of perfection is not the same shared by cattle or nature and you are stuck in the mono-culture mindset. True, mono-cultures are good and have their place but if you study your forages you will see every plant species has a production and a rest period. Allowing "weeds" to grow in a pasture can add new forages which have varying growth periods which can extend the grazing period over that of a typical mono-culture. You may not see it yourself but if you watch your cattle they will help you see. Finding this balance is an art and cannot be taught but it can be learned thru close observation.

It is said, the best way to pay for an irrigation unit is to not to use it. Same with making making money off pasture. Let the cattle do the mowing and let your job be to arrange things where they can do their job.


That's a wise post Jo! :clap: Good advice for all of us.
 
Hero,

Like others, I haven't seen your place, but it probably looks like most of the pastures I see. I wouldn't down play the weed problem at all, if I were you. Weeds: shade grass, rob nutrients, and steal water. For a long long time, I controlled by clipping. Problems with that were, to get the weed, I had to clip close. Many time, the weed had already set seeds etc. It just seemed counter productive to me. I started spraying weeds on the way up. In other words, I spray them when they are actively growing long before they start producing seed.

I also think that the winter we had, disturbed the seed bank somehow. No science to prove that, it just seems to explain the explosion i saw. Add to that, the moisture my area saw, and we had a bumper crop of weeds. Your cool season weeds aren't an issue IMHO. Its those warm season weeds that cost you grass. They are going to town, while your fescue is going dormant. Do a little inspection this afternoon of your pasture. Concentrate on a 10 by 10 area, that's a pretty good representation of your pasture. Dont count the weeds, but on some type of visual inspection determine what the percent grass to weeds is. I bet you will be surprised. Lift up a weed, and inspect the fescue under it. I also think you will be surprised.

If your not sold on treating the whole place next year, that's fine, its your place, but I would make a stab at an area about 50 by 50 next year with a pump up sprayer and and a couple ounces of 2 four D to the gallon in it. Just walk, and mimic what a pull behind sprayer will be doing. Make sure you do it, while the warm season weeds are small, and actively growing. Give it a month, and compare the amount fescue there, with other areas on your farm. I came to the determination, that spraying is my best bet for more grass. I can't buy more land, I've got to grow more fescue on what I have.

I know the whole monoculture debate rages on, and I have diminished the amount of white clover that I have. It's not all gone, but some things I've sprayed have hammered it worse than others. Keeping the weeds out has encouraged crabgrass, goose grass, and barnyard grass. I mean a lot of that stuff. Cows like it, and it has nutritional value (probably better than Fescue, but I can't prove it).

It's your call, and that's probably the longest post I've ever made on here. Thumbs area actually tired. I wanted more grass, to raise more calves, and I think I chose the cheapest route. I have actually set a goal, to spray some parts of my place twice next year. Once in June, and once in late July. If it's growing on my place, and a cow won't eat it, its not my friend, it's my enemy. Nutrients cost, and water can be scarce. $8-$12 an acre can go a long way to reducing your weeds by 80 plus %. Even if you don't add more cattle, you should feed less hay later, because fescue will make that big September push.
 
Nesikep":33n2ginw said:
Except for mustard against which there's no winning after reseeding, we really don't have any weeds here.. burdock and thistle get manually hacked, and we don't have much of anything else..

Wow, that must be nice.

Speaking of burdock, when i was growing up, people soaked burdock roots in water and drank it as a cure for acne. Teens would use it during their roughest acne years, and it seemed to actually work. Anyone use it that way where you're from?
 
my "worst looking pasture" will keep my cows 3 times as long as my "OH MY LOOK AT THAT PERFECT FIELD" pasture.
 
Bigfoot":3vumx7pf said:
TexasBred":3vumx7pf said:
Don't knock all weeds. Some are better than your grasses.

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I've always thought, in a MIG setting cows would eat more weeds than you think, and probably be good feed. I have seen my cows eat weeds, when they are really really small. They lose intrest fast as they mature though.

True, that's how I got my cows to eat thistle the first time.
 

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