Opinions on this bull

[Tod Dague]

Anybody used Messmer Packer?

What faults do you see in him structurally, my eyes aren't as keen as some of ya'lls?

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Most off them seem to have sharper tongues lately than eyes Todd. Pretty good looking bull to me.

 

[3waycross]

Anybody used Messmer Packer?

What faults do you see in him structurally, my eyes aren't as keen as some of ya'lls?

good lookin.What's his story?

 

[novatech]

I am not very good either but I would like to give an opinion just to see if I right.
I think he is to course shouldered and maybe straight shouldered. He could come down just a little in the flank. Please critique my critique.

 

[dun]

Anybody used Messmer Packer?

His first calves for us won;t be here until early march

 

[Tod Dague]

Anybody used Messmer Packer?

What faults do you see in him structurally, my eyes aren't as keen as some of ya'lls?

good lookin.What's his story?

This is about all I have on him. http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 11&lang=EN Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt. This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs. He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

 

[3waycross]

If I could do one thing with him I'd stretch him out a couple of inches. His numbers are excellant. A litttle more CETM wouldn't hurt and he's a little high for milk but his ME and Stayability numbers make me drool. Not to mention huge nuts. I'd use him on my Gelbvieh's for a red balancer in a heartbeat.

 

[Tod Dague]

Thanks for all the input. Has anyone seen his dam?

 

[aussie_cowgirl]

This is about all I have on him. http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 11&lang=EN Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt. This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs. He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

How old do you sell your calves?

 

[Aero]

Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt.

at what age will you be selling his progeny?

This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs.

do you hope the milk goes up or down? are you hoping it doesnt drop with proof?

He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

i dont know how you measure frame height, but i can do it and hand it to the next guy and get 1/2" difference with the same stick. dont expect him to be the outlier because of minute changes.

why would you think about using a bull you know nothing about? gambling on a complete unknown is usually not a way to make money. bouncing from bull to bull is a sure sign of not having a plan/program.

 

[Tod Dague]

This is about all I have on him. http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 11&lang=EN Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt. This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs. He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

How old do you sell your calves?

Excellent point. I found a pic of him as a yearling http://www.messmerredangus.com/sale_bulls_2007.pdf on page one. Lacking butt isn't exactly the right descriptor, more narrow and fine boned.

 

[RD-Sam]

Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt.

at what age will you be selling his progeny?

This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs.

do you hope the milk goes up or down? are you hoping it doesnt drop with proof?

He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

i dont know how you measure frame height, but i can do it and hand it to the next guy and get 1/2" difference with the same stick. dont expect him to be the outlier because of minute changes.

why would you think about using a bull you know nothing about? gambling on a complete unknown is usually not a way to make money. bouncing from bull to bull is a sure sign of not having a plan/program.

Or you could be sampling bulls in search of the right bull to base a breeding program on. ;-)

 

[Tod Dague]

Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt.

at what age will you be selling his progeny?

This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs.

do you hope the milk goes up or down? are you hoping it doesnt drop with proof?

He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

i dont know how you measure frame height, but i can do it and hand it to the next guy and get 1/2" difference with the same stick. dont expect him to be the outlier because of minute changes.

why would you think about using a bull you know nothing about? gambling on a complete unknown is usually not a way to make money. bouncing from bull to bull is a sure sign of not having a plan/program.

Easy now I haven't bought anything yet. ;-)
I'm hoping the milk stays about the same.
I measure frame with a stick as well, and I understand that you can measure a cow two times and get two frame scores. I was probably reading to much into this.
I'm not bouncing from bull to bull, I haven't bought semen for quite some time and have been using my own bulls. I had to get rid of my heifer bull due to an injury and don't have a suitable replacement as of yet. So, I'm looking for a heifer bull to AI with. The whole reason that I'm asking about the bull is to learn more about him. I was hoping that some people on the board had used him and could give their personal experience with him.

 

[aussie_cowgirl]

This is about all I have on him. http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php? ... 11&lang=EN Saw his yearling pic last year and he peaked my interest, but he looked to be lacking some butt. This pic is a lot better and he appears to have the phenotype that I like, and his performance seems to be well ballanced. Sure wish I had a pic from directly behind him, and some accuracy on the milk EPDs. He was a frame 6 at a year and 5.4 mature so I'm thinking his growth shuts down shortly after a year of age. I'm hopeing to get the performance in an easy keeping package.

How old do you sell your calves?

Excellent point. I found a pic of him as a yearling http://www.messmerredangus.com/sale_bulls_2007.pdf on page one. Lacking butt isn't exactly the right descriptor, more narrow and fine boned.

This is the photo with the name.

He's tight through the heart girth which is my pet hate with the Red Angus. That's a deal breaker for me but as far as muscle goes he seem to be one of the better ones in the catalogue...

Now I've just done a bit of research and these are Packer's calves featured in this years messmer catalogue. I don't like them at all personally. Except maybe the last one because I like that kind of depth, I'd still like to see a few more photos though.

 

[3waycross]

The bull is an 8 for calving ease direct., and had an 85lb birth weight. Not exactly what you would call a heifer bull..

All in all he a pretty decent bull. But I wouldn't use him on any heifers that might be marginal.

Truthfully I wouldn't use him on heifers at all.

However I would still try him on a couple of Gelbvieh cows with high calving ease numbers of their own.

 

[BA]

I saw quite a few bulls by him at Lonkers sale this fall. I thought they were the best sire group there. They were all out of Brandee cows, I believe. They had more to them than the others. I also thought they were more consistantly better than the other sires including MM, Combination, Ekalaka, a diff. messmer bull and others. He's not a bull that I had any opinion on prior to the sale as he wasn't something that I was looking at, but I can see where I could possibly use him to introduce new bloodlines. I don't recall the BW's, but they looked pretty thick made for heifers, but I could be wrong about that.

 

[Willow Springs]

Has anyone seen the daughters milking yet? There should be some this spring. What about udder quality of dam and any sisters of Packer. How about feet and legs?

It might help to get more info if the original poster put the bulls name in the topic as well.

 

[Aero]

I am not very good either but I would like to give an opinion just to see if I right.

lol who exactly is going to let you know if you are right or wrong?

 

[novatech]

I am not very good either but I would like to give an opinion just to see if I right.

lol who exactly is going to let you know if you are right or wrong?

Obviously nobody. But since nobody agreed that may be a little hint. So I'm back to learning. ;-)

 

[jerry27150]

unless i am misunderstanding the epd's, an 8 on ced is an easy calving bull