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Here's the scenario:
-Have access to a 10 ft. no till drill April 19.
-cows will be off pasture by April 30 at the latest and maybe earlier
-47 acres currently of clover, fescue, Bermuda and small amount of other random grasses. It's all river bottom and in decent shape as is.
-what would you plant? Let's take the do nothing out of the equation.
-middle Tn. Area (Nashville to be exact)
 

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Don't plant any variety of Bermuda from seed. It will revert back to common Bermuda within a few years. I'd go with an early cool season grass like rye to get something as soon as the frost stops. Timothy and OG would likely grow ok that far north.
 
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Our frosts are done. Some local guys said it was too late for Rye and were saying I should go with Fescue.
 

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I meant for next spring. You are correct, too late to get the rye this year. Fescue is a near failsafe. I'd try to get as broad of a spectrum of early, mid, late season grasses as I could is what I was getting at. Your fescue is a good late spring/early summer, late summer early fall producer. Bermuda is a good summer producer.
 

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Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.
 

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I was under impression you just wanted to add a summer forage to the mix you have . as clover and fescue will play out soon . I don't comprehend sometimes. I can't tell u what will work there .
 

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kilroy60":3epwb1cz said:
Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.
Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.
 

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M-5":nkhrt7fq said:
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Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.
Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.

You find one that won't, please let me know. I and many others on haytalk would love that info. Have heard no one get more than 3-5 years of productive Bermuda from seed. Even UGA says to sprig the hybrids.
 

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M-5":34lj2kbf said:
kilroy60":34lj2kbf said:
Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.
Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.
I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
 

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1982vett":20s4amlw said:
M-5":20s4amlw said:
kilroy60":20s4amlw said:
Never heard that about Bermuda grass going back to common Bermuda if planted from seed. I've always heard that the only time to plant fescue was September. Agree that it is too late for Rye.
Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.
I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
it does not revert back the common is more prolific and it squeezes the hybrid out. Or that what the scientist have always told me . I've had extensive conversations with ifas forage specialist
 

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tncattle":nadn77c8 said:
Here's the scenario:
-Have access to a 10 ft. no till drill April 19.
-cows will be off pasture by April 30 at the latest and maybe earlier
-47 acres currently of clover, fescue, Bermuda and small amount of other random grasses. It's all river bottom and in decent shape as is.
-what would you plant? Let's take the do nothing out of the equation.
-middle Tn. Area (Nashville to be exact)

Fescue. I would imagine that the cows are grazing the fescue and not touching the bermuda even in the summer.
Sound about right?
 

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M-5":crd6xaup said:
1982vett":crd6xaup said:
M-5":crd6xaup said:
Not all do . it won't revert back if it's properly maintained.
I planted Texas Tuff in 2004. It's a 3 variety mix. Didn't get an ideal start and never could distinguish but 2 varieties. My uncle planted Alicia back in the 70's. let it head out and you can easily distinguish half dozen different varieties in it today.

Different growth characteristics and weather play a large roll in variety mixes. Genetics that thrive in those conditions win over one genetics that don't thrive. i don't like the terminology of "reverting back to". It's a matter of the hardy survive and the weaker fades out.
it does not revert back the common is more prolific and it squeezes the hybrid out. Or that what the scientist have always told me . I've had extensive conversations with ifas forage specialist

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Terminology, but eventually you'll end up with Common.
 
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The local guys at the co-op where I'm renting the drill are saying just plant Fescue and don't worry about it being hard the cattle. One guy even said "aw it don't bother them (cattle) none.
 
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Again, the pasture has decent stand of grass & clover as it is now. I'm actually getting the no till drill tomorrow. Will it damage the currents grasses & clover running it through now or not?
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Sure it will do some damage....but scarring the surface Will "renovate" a bit too, opening the ground to let moisture penitrate and a little aeration. A minus and a plus.
 
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Looks like it might be raining when I have the drill. Not ever having used one--can I run it in the rain as long as it's not a mud hole or too wet?
 
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Well I got a half drilled with the no till and then it started raining too hard to continue. I can't do it tomorrow and Wednesday is the last day I have it before I have to return it. How wet it is too wet to use that no till?
 

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