Nevada

[TexasBred]

You are so right Bez. Just what does the BLM need with snipers. Whats with the 1st amendment area's? I didn't have a clue you had to be in certain area to express your 1st amendment rights in America.

1st Amendment is not an "Area", let alone a "designated area". But I just heard taht Harry Reid was able to get he "restricted turtle area" gerrymandered go help out a good "buddy buddy".

 

[HDRider]

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More pics and vids here.http://weaselzippers.us/182359-video...-cattle-ranch/

 

[HDRider]

The BLM also has imposed various tortoise-friendly rules on federal lands, and thus Mr. Bundy’s problem:

He refused to accept new conditions on his grazing allotment in 1993, and continued pasturing his cattle in defiance of the federal government. This being the United States, litigation ensued, which Mr. Bundy lost, with a 2013 court decision ruling finally in favor of federal tortoise mandates.

Mr. Bundy figures he owes the feds some $300,000 in fees, fines, and interest, whereas Uncle Sam puts the figure at more than $1 million.

The government has been sporadically seizing his cattle. He calls them “cattle thieves,” which still constitute fighting words in the West.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...n-d-williamson

 

[TexasBred]

Amazing they go after this old man and his family for something like this yet ignore those that really owe the gov't big money. Seems our Attorney Gen. spoke at Al Sharpton's "non profit" group meeting the other night and Sharpton owes the gov't millions yet he's treated like a celebrity. They ignore the actual constitution yet choose and pic to uphold something this insignificant in the big picture. As bez said in another post, there is more to this than we are being told.

 

[Shanghai]

Amazing they go after this old man and his family for something like this yet ignore those that really owe the gov't big money. Seems our Attorney Gen. spoke at Al Sharpton's "non profit" group meeting the other night and Sharpton owes the gov't millions yet he's treated like a celebrity. They ignore the actual constitution yet choose and pic to uphold something this insignificant in the big picture. As bez said in another post, there is more to this than we are being told.

I don't think it's about oil or NG or the turtle or anything elaborate
I think it is a s simple as the wild horse and burro(see T.Boone Pickens wife)
I think there is big money behind it and is as simple as that. I think these people have **** for brains and aren't capable of anything cunning or wise
When the people in power care more about lining their pockets with cash than what's right and wrong and when groups of people care more about a horse, donkey, turtle, minnow and etc than their own food source and safe food just goes to show how off their thinking is.
People are so out of touch with reality and come with ridiculous idea's that are completely ignorant(not stupid but ignorant)
Why someone would push to be dependent on a foreign food source is beyond my comprehension (referring to all the EPA, the shutting off the water in central valley Ca and etc)

 

[slick4591]

http://youtu.be/reYHqsfF-j0

[youtube]reYHqsfF-j0[/youtube]

 

[Shanghai]

This is out of control
I can't imagine them destroying the water sources in a desert. If it is about environmentalist, horse and burro, wildlife and etc. that makes no sense.

Why is it they want Bundy and his cattle removed, as well as all the other ranchers that have already been forced out ?

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Whats I gonna cost them to put it back Cross. Nothing its our money being used against us. But it sure would be rough for the Bundy's or some other rancher to have to put it back. What cows they can't get up they will starve out for water. I Don't think Utah is going to let the Feds bring the cows into Utah.

 

[TexasBred]

I don't think it's about oil or NG or the turtle or anything elaborate
I think it is a s simple as the wild horse and burro(see T.Boone Pickens wife)
I think there is big money behind it and is as simple as that. I think these people have be nice for brains and aren't capable of anything cunning or wise
When the people in power care more about lining their pockets with cash than what's right and wrong and when groups of people care more about a horse, donkey, turtle, minnow and etc than their own food source and safe food just goes to show how off their thinking is.
People are so out of touch with reality and come with ridiculous idea's that are completely ignorant(not stupid but ignorant)
Why someone would push to be dependent on a foreign food source is beyond my comprehension (referring to all the EPA, the shutting off the water in central valley Ca and etc)

Read an article today saying O&G companies had already drilled exploratory wells right in this area. They can make millions leasing the minerals but this involves minerals...not the surface which "could" still be used for grazing. I've got places leased for drilling and all have cattle on them.

 

[Shanghai]

I don't think it's about oil or NG or the turtle or anything elaborate
I think it is a s simple as the wild horse and burro(see T.Boone Pickens wife)
I think there is big money behind it and is as simple as that. I think these people have be nice for brains and aren't capable of anything cunning or wise
When the people in power care more about lining their pockets with cash than what's right and wrong and when groups of people care more about a horse, donkey, turtle, minnow and etc than their own food source and safe food just goes to show how off their thinking is.
People are so out of touch with reality and come with ridiculous idea's that are completely ignorant(not stupid but ignorant)
Why someone would push to be dependent on a foreign food source is beyond my comprehension (referring to all the EPA, the shutting off the water in central valley Ca and etc)

Read an article today saying O&G companies had already drilled exploratory wells right in this area. They can make millions leasing the minerals but this involves minerals...not the surface which "could" still be used for grazing. I've got places leased for drilling and all have cattle on them.

That's what I don't get
The cattle shouldn't affect the production in anyway whatsoever
The destroying the water sources has thrown me off though
I can't see why they are taking it all away from ranching, not just Bundy from what they have said
They going to give it to China as payment for debt ?

 

[dieselbeef]

im in on this..he can make his point..but they wont win...

 

[Hook]

This stuff is bigger and deeper than than we think it is. And it's also a huge constitutional issue that could (hopefully) blow up in the Feds face.

 

[Brute 23]

At the end of the day that is not how the government should handle the situation.

If this guy was any other race and the feds did that it would be a civil rights issue and people would be marching in the streets.

Total waste of resources.... and at tax time no less :x

 

[dieselbeef]

This stuff is bigger and deeper than than we think it is. And it's also a huge constitutional issue that could (hopefully) blow up in the Feds face.

i think this too...but i dont know why they just didnt say eminent domain and boot him like they do anywhere else

 

[HDRider]

This stuff is bigger and deeper than than we think it is. And it's also a huge constitutional issue that could (hopefully) blow up in the Feds face.

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[Red Bull Breeder]

HD this sounds right. Head of the BLM worked for Reid.

 

[Shanghai]

I don't think it's about oil or NG or the turtle or anything elaborate
I think it is a s simple as the wild horse and burro(see T.Boone Pickens wife)
I think there is big money behind it and is as simple as that. I think these people have be nice for brains and aren't capable of anything cunning or wise
When the people in power care more about lining their pockets with cash than what's right and wrong and when groups of people care more about a horse, donkey, turtle, minnow and etc than their own food source and safe food just goes to show how off their thinking is.
People are so out of touch with reality and come with ridiculous idea's that are completely ignorant(not stupid but ignorant)
Why someone would push to be dependent on a foreign food source is beyond my comprehension (referring to all the EPA, the shutting off the water in central valley Ca and etc)

Read an article today saying O&G companies had already drilled exploratory wells right in this area. They can make millions leasing the minerals but this involves minerals...not the surface which "could" still be used for grazing. I've got places leased for drilling and all have cattle on them.

That's what I don't get
The cattle shouldn't affect the production in anyway whatsoever
The destroying the water sources has thrown me off though
I can't see why they are taking it all away from ranching, not just Bundy from what they have said
They going to give it to China as payment for debt ?

Who'd of thunk :dunce:
In December, Clark County commissioners voted unanimously to sell up to 9,000 acres of public land to the subsidiary at pennies on the dollar.

The deal spurred local controversy. Separate appraisals valued the land at $29.6 million and $38.6 million. The commission agreed to sell it to ENN for $4.5 million.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/ ... 6D20120831

 

[dieselbeef]

maybe now..but at this point he has been losing court battles consistantly over non payment of the lease. he hasnt paid by his own admittance.
alot of this that i read here is already bunk. look at some of the most updated news stories. an agreement has been reached..the blm is pulling out

 

[Hook]

Yep. Blm said they aren't going to enforce the court order and are pullin out.

 

[Shanghai]

The Bundy's better go shopping for Kevlar
The folks wanting that property aren't going to just give up