Need advice for starting a herd using shares.

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Hi. I am looking to get a start in the cattle industry and my uncle who has a commercial operation is willing to help me out on shares. I am trying to figure out what would be a fair percentage. This is the situation. I am looking to buy ~10 angus heifers later this year or next year. I would like to buy purebred just so I know what I am starting with. These angus heifers would be bred to my uncles limousin bulls. I would like to keep the replacements from the good ones over the next few years, although I assume you don't keep replacements from first time calvers? Anyway he will provide the feed, pasture, bulls and basically everything that goes along with it. I would provide 15 days of labor or 1.5 days per cow/heifer per year. I would either sell or pay for feed after weaning. He said he is not looking to make money and wants to help me get a small herd started. What would be a fair split in the situation?

Am I missing anything? Does this sound like good way to go about things?

In the next 5 years or so I am looking to get some of my own pasture and hay land so this would be a good start. I dream of having some of my own land and this would be the way to make use of it. Any advice is appreciated.
 
I currently have an 80/20 split with my dad on some cows. Basically same deal as yours, he pays all inputs but I do all the work for both herds and the grass calves we run. That seems like a pretty good deal that he is offering. Would just say make sure you sit down and go over what happens in some certain situations that may come up.
 
No reason NOT to keep replacements out of first-calf heifers - if they meet your criteria for retention.
A first-calf heifer's calf will probably wean off as much as 60-70# lighter than those out of mature cows, but won't necessarily always be smaller than those out of the older cows.
 
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Hook":3ab8css9 said:
I thought limos were one of the ones to watch out for large birthweight calves.
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Well, I guess they can be. But Charolais are also thought to be and I have bred more heifers to limo and char bulls than anything and I have never pulled one.
 
Hook":3hdqi21f said:
Anyone else see a problem with angus heifers and limo bulls?
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There was a time, at least around here, where that would not have been a good choice.

But.....these days, there's more variety to choose from, more genetics to choose from and many Limos are black now, due to Angus influence, and birthweights and head and shoulder sizes & shapes aren't always the problem they once were.

Katherine
 
Limousin have never as a rule been bad to have big birth weights. There is and have been some heavy birth weight bulls in the limousin breed. But you don't have to use them.
 
Thanks for the replies. My uncle has 2 Limo heifer bulls that he uses for lighter birth weight calves.
Any thoughts on Tarentaise or Tarentaise/AngusX bred to a Limo bull? Anyone have any experience with these combos? I see there are a few Tarentaise breeders here in ND. The more I read about them the more interesting they sound. I would really like to experiment a little and try a few out.
 

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