Is NASI a program that is going to be manditory across the United States ? And is it manditory in some states already ? I know there was a post a while back about it and allot of cattlemen in Tenn has already registered for it. But is it a volantary thing at this time in Tennesee and other states ?
NASI
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It's NAIS -- National Animal Identification System.
The USDA wants it to be mandatory, but it's yet to be seen whether or not they'll get their way. As far as I know, no state has made it mandatory yet..
I do know that a couple of states have passed resolutions which call on the USDA to let the implementation of NAIS remain "market driven" (i.e., voluntary) out of concern for the cost to small farmers, as well as concerns over privacy and possible issues with the constitutionality of such a wide-reaching mandatory animal ID program.
The USDA wants it to be mandatory, but it's yet to be seen whether or not they'll get their way. As far as I know, no state has made it mandatory yet..
I do know that a couple of states have passed resolutions which call on the USDA to let the implementation of NAIS remain "market driven" (i.e., voluntary) out of concern for the cost to small farmers, as well as concerns over privacy and possible issues with the constitutionality of such a wide-reaching mandatory animal ID program.
jkwilson
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It isn't mandatory, but in Indiana it's going to be mandatory for people exhibiting at livestock shows starting in 2007.
jkwilson":12hpx6yu said:
Maybe it's just me...... :?
But doesn't protecting the food chain by mandating ID on show animals seem kinda like protecting farmers by mandating ROPS on all pulling tractors at the county fair?
:roll: :lol:
They are going to dream up all kinds of cute ways to make Farmers like me volunteer for there program. The only show animals I've got are behind a barb wire fence watching the cars go by. Next cute idea.cmjust0":82m7lkne said:
rk
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:?:cmjust0":fxu6dm1l said:
SPRINGER FARMS MURRAY GRE
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The main reason for it is spelled C-O-N-T-R-O-L...... ;-) :(
SPRINGER,
I agree with you there. The United State's it getting to be more like Russia everyday. I was talking to a old man today and he said that everything that our father's and brother's/Mother's and sister's fought for in past and present war's. Is slowly but surely being taking away from us.
I agree with you there. The United State's it getting to be more like Russia everyday. I was talking to a old man today and he said that everything that our father's and brother's/Mother's and sister's fought for in past and present war's. Is slowly but surely being taking away from us.
Stepper":e81t4ktw said:
I'd agree with him, except that our liberties aren't being 'taken' from us -- we're giving them away, hand over fist..
Once they're gone, they're GONE. :mad:
And, as far as your extension agent telling you it's a done deal, it's not.. Far from it. Last I heard, Congress was taking the whole program away from USDA and including it in the '07 farm bill.. When asked, Saxby Chambliss mentioned said that he didn't know whether it should be mandatory or not, citing privacy and rights issues. It was clear that he didn't like what USDA was up to, though.. That says something.
This program is very unpopular outside of the cattle industry -- not that it's all that popular INSIDE the cattle industry -- and a lot of the folks in office are on thin ice as it is... Congress is really, really good at filling bills and programs full of loopholes and making them utterly toothless, too.. If NAIS goes in the farm bill, I'd bet on it being voluntary and watered down to exclude trail horses, backyard flocks, personal consumption animals, etc....
LangCattleCompany
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why does a show like This Week in Agribusiness make it soundlike I'm benedict arnold if I don't like this program. I don't understand how the government in my pants more and more is a good thing. mandatorily speaking of course.
backhoeboogie
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It is either sounding like the X-Files or else "Big Brother" out of George Orwell's "Brave New World". Next thing you know I'll be having to have the govment test/approve for consumption the catfish I catch out of the river. This is all about control with no more, no less.
LangCattleCompany":3q32r8xa said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -- Samuel Johnson, 1775
They know the only way they're going to get a lot of folks on board is by making them feel like they're betraying their country if they don't.. Personally, I think it's despicable..
Not to mention the fact that if all our forefathers had been guilted into blind government loyalty, we'd all have bad teeth, funny accents, and we'd have a pot of *tea* brewing every morning while we put on our knickers... :lol:
Oldtimer
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LangCattleCompany":617a2zdi said:
Some industry connected and supposed producer groups (NCBA) have made it seem like it was absolutely necessary and such a great deal for all,
BUT
What they didn't tell you was they were in it to profit for themselves from the program off the backs of the producers- that until stopped by the now rising overwhelming opposition they were picked by USDA to be the single group to set up and run the program...They are still trying to profit from it thru now partnering with the tag and data base people...
Think of their profits if they could have got the government mandated monopoly on the data base and tags- $1 per tag at 42 million cattle....
http://www.ncbatag.com/
backhoeboogie":mrdduw5u said:
They already do that, sort of... Around here, they call it a "fishing license." :shock:
When you think about it, it probably wasn't all that long ago that some loudmouth 'conspiracy theorists' were throwing a fit about having to buy one of those, too... Now that we're several decades hence, however, people automatically accept that the government is in charge of who can fish and who can't.. :shock:
The wise and knowledgable backhoeboogie":mrdduw5u said:
You got it, bud! :clap:
SPRINGER FARMS MURRAY GRE
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Oldtimer":3li259ot said:
They sent me a wholebag of tags and an applicator...Ihaven't used them yet. ;-)
Oldtimer
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I stole this off another Montana ranchers website- but it sums up pretty much how I feel...Nobody in government has taken into account the time, labor, and actual ability of getting the system to work.....How many times are you going to run 500 head thru a chute or alleyway to find which 166 didn't read :roll:
Wonder Tags
Some more interesting information on the "wonder tags," the RFID tags that the Government wants us to use on our cattle for the National Animal Identification System.
BeefTalk: Electronic identification - Two steps ahead, one back
Attempts to implement a national identification program for animal trace-back have been noticed. News about the outbreak of a disease with notable impact has increased the pro and con discussion, but the lasting outcome is far from defined.
The Dickinson Research Extension Center is involved in a project that is designed to monitor cattle in transit and locate cattle during shipment. This research involves evaluating the ability to read calves going on and off a truck using low-frequency RFID (radio frequency identification) tags.
So, what did their research show?
For the optimist, the trial was 94.4 percent successful. For the practical cattle producer, only four of the six runs actually resulted in a 94.4 percent or higher success rate. In reality, only 66.7 percent of the runs actually achieved a realistic outcome, while 33.3 percent failed. One tag failed twice, requiring three reads to achieve a 100 percent read for this set of data.
ONLY 66.7% ACHIEVED A REALISTIC OUTCOME. That's horrible. The Government wants us to rely on a technology that is only effective 2/3 of the time. Sorry Charlie, that's just not going to work. How much more work and labor is this system going to entail with these kind of numbers? I don't even want to think about it. Running the cattle and reading the tags time and time again because the system doesn't work right. You start running over 500 cows with these kinds of numbers and the chances of getting a good read on them are slim to none.
This whole NAIS system needs to be scaled back a whole lot. A herd ID system with permanent metal tags would be the easiest, low tech solution that could be made to work for all. I still wouldn't like it particularly, but it would work.
Wonder Tags
Some more interesting information on the "wonder tags," the RFID tags that the Government wants us to use on our cattle for the National Animal Identification System.
BeefTalk: Electronic identification - Two steps ahead, one back
Attempts to implement a national identification program for animal trace-back have been noticed. News about the outbreak of a disease with notable impact has increased the pro and con discussion, but the lasting outcome is far from defined.
The Dickinson Research Extension Center is involved in a project that is designed to monitor cattle in transit and locate cattle during shipment. This research involves evaluating the ability to read calves going on and off a truck using low-frequency RFID (radio frequency identification) tags.
So, what did their research show?
For the optimist, the trial was 94.4 percent successful. For the practical cattle producer, only four of the six runs actually resulted in a 94.4 percent or higher success rate. In reality, only 66.7 percent of the runs actually achieved a realistic outcome, while 33.3 percent failed. One tag failed twice, requiring three reads to achieve a 100 percent read for this set of data.
ONLY 66.7% ACHIEVED A REALISTIC OUTCOME. That's horrible. The Government wants us to rely on a technology that is only effective 2/3 of the time. Sorry Charlie, that's just not going to work. How much more work and labor is this system going to entail with these kind of numbers? I don't even want to think about it. Running the cattle and reading the tags time and time again because the system doesn't work right. You start running over 500 cows with these kinds of numbers and the chances of getting a good read on them are slim to none.
This whole NAIS system needs to be scaled back a whole lot. A herd ID system with permanent metal tags would be the easiest, low tech solution that could be made to work for all. I still wouldn't like it particularly, but it would work.
dj":2bwkpgzu said:
Point taken, but we still elect the people who set these things into motion...
dj":2bwkpgzu said:
I'm not talking about the program being unpopular from the demand side of the market, I'm talking about all the folks getting roped into the program who aren't on *either* side of the market... In case you haven't noticed, there are a lot of people out there who still care about their rights, and feel like their right to grow food is being trampled on...
And they're right.
