Caustic Burno":kc9n33uj said:
If they had turned Stormin Norman loose we wouldn't be worried with a lot of this crap today.
Bush 41 screwed the pooch here bigtime. Until we adopt WWII strategy of kill all the sorry SOB's this is
never going to end. Police action hasn't worked since Korea on we have to be in it to win it.
Go in fire bomb everything to the ground like we did Germany and Japan and kill everything from
a Shanghai Rooster to a Durham cow. The scorched earth policy they understand.
Only one problem. That area never was a threat to us until we started messing with them. Since when was their oil a justification for using our military? If they wanted our corn, and had the military to do it, should they be justified in overthrowing our government or attacking us?
And by the way, many think that WW2 was justified because genocide was committed against the Jews. The same people think it is fine to wipe out the entire middle east. And we talk about how evil they are! If they are evil, maybe we ought to just leave them alone and let them kill each other off.
There is a thing going on in our country called worship of the military. Many think most bureaucrats of the EPA or whatever are incompetent and evil, but somehow our military can do no wrong. As a former Air Force officer, and with a son who deployed 3 times to Afghanistan, I can assure you that it ain't all pure. Part of the reasons we both got out. Little of the military is about defense, it is about trillions to be made off of war. Nothing has changed since General Bradley wrote, War is a Racket.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le4377.htm
So we aren't ever going to 'wipe them out', becase there is too much money in war. Have to keep it going. Military industrial complex, as Eisenhower warned us about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Let me try to summarize our stupidity which I've spent years trying to figure out. I won't get into the Israel and Egypt and countless other countries we have to subsidize or meddle with. For example, we give billions to Israel, and seven times that to its enemies.
In 1953, our CIA helped stage a coup against the elected leader in Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Irani ... '%C3%A9tat
After a few decades of brutality by the dictator we installed, the Iranians rebelled, and took hostages at our embassy. They installed a theocracy. With this instability, Saddam invaded Iran. We supported him, sending him materials to make Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs). Which is funny, as the last invasion of Iraq was justified by saying he had WMDs. As the CIA joked, of course he has them, "we have the receipts".
Anyway, Saddam was our friend while he was fighting Iran. Just before he invaded Kuwait to settle a dispute (Kuwait was once part of Iraq), he got the impression from our ambassador that we were okay with it.
But we changed our mind and got involved in something none of our business. To get our support, lies were concocted such as the one about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)
After we destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq, we continued to bomb them for the next decade, and imposed sanctions that resulted in deaths of at least 500,000 children. As our Sec. of State said, "it was worth it".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE
Now surprise, surprise, certain extremists over there (like our Timothy McVeigh who killed hundreds of innocents) did not like our occupation and bombing and killing, and did the 9/11 attack. The CIA calls it blowback. I am not excusing or justifying the attack, but it is certainly a predictable result of our actions. And if someone was doing to us, what we were doing to them, some of us would react the same way. There is a thing called the Golden Rule.
We continue to create more terrorists with our drone attacks - every innocent killed has family and friends that are angry. Create enemies, get more opportunities for war. Never ending.
Though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, we couldn't let our anger go to waste and used 9/11 as an excuse to go back and bomb them again. Again using BS stories that have been discredited. Al qaeda wasn't in Iraq before 9/11, but now they are strong there.
Speaking of Al qaeda, Osama bin Laden was our guy in Afghanistan against the foolish Soviets who went bankrupt there, just as we are doing now. Now they are using our weapons and training against us. Osama learned how to bankrupt the Soviets, and was using the same tactic against us, which is working. Here is a 2004 speech he gave to that effect:
http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/1 ... 57223.html
