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They are trying to pass a law now to prevent kids under 18 from working on farms, even family ones, no driving tractors, or operating equipment-what a crock of crap-I personally think kids who work and are raised on farms are way better in work attitude thn the city kids-they just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. I think its time to knock some sense into these people who come up with this lame stuff-or hmm let just vote them out of their jobs-
 
The amazing thing is the law passers vote into law things they have no idea about. Not 1% of them has ever been on a Farm/Ranch. Career politicians are killing us.
 
wow thats some of the dumbest sheet i ever heard of.what is there reasoning? how would they enforce it? i own a constructuon co and can hire teens or any age i guess,so y n the heck cant a farmer use his own son? man our effin govt always wants to create new drama and not deal with our current problems.so if they get there way a farmer cant hire his own kids or any1 under 18 but he can hire all the illegals he wants.yea i know theres a law against illegals but its sure not enforced.i mean its not like they are here and r n hiding.they r everywhere and its only gettin worse.
 
sheesh i grew up working on the dairy.an it sure didnt hurt me 1 bit.if they pass something like no kid will know how to work.
 
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from what i heard you can hire your own children, but not grandchildren, nieces, newphews and etc.
i wasn't really paying attention but something along the lines you could hire teenage children as long as they didn't operate machinery, ride horseback and something about the livestock being intact males.
typical government mumbo jumbo
 
Next thing you know they will be taking 40% or more out of our checks in taxes.....never mind they already are. :bang: :bang:

I miss Ronald Reagan
 
fact is its none of their darn business-and I'd like to see them enforce any of it, step on someones land that is trespassing-anymore i think we need to get some working class folks in congress/senate and in the white house-because these people are totally freaking clueless
 
bigbull338":3p1fsopi said:
sheesh i grew up working on the dairy.an it sure didnt hurt me 1 bit.if they pass something like no kid will know how to work.
So did I. But at times I thought it was killing me. :help:
But it didn't kill me. In fact, looking back on it I had a lot of opportunity that I just took for granted at the time.
Somebody recently asked me what kind of curfew I had when I was a kid. Took me a minute to figure out what they meant. It was a strange concept to me. I knew what time I had to go to the barn and didn't need to know anything else.
 
GMN":22kkcokr said:
They are trying to pass a law now to prevent kids under 18 from working on farms, even family ones, no driving tractors, or operating equipment-what a crock of crap-I personally think kids who work and are raised on farms are way better in work attitude thn the city kids-they just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. I think its time to knock some sense into these people who come up with this lame stuff-or hmm let just vote them out of their jobs-

I wonder if this is some back-lash from the movement to enforce the alien laws. E.g., if you won't let us keep the illegals, then we'll force it down your throat by taking away some of your other hiring options. ???
 
GMN":3dfp9rod said:
They are trying to pass a law now to prevent kids under 18 from working on farms, even family ones, no driving tractors, or operating equipment-what a crock of crap-I personally think kids who work and are raised on farms are way better in work attitude thn the city kids-they just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. I think its time to knock some sense into these people who come up with this lame stuff-or hmm let just vote them out of their jobs-

You don't mean that you can't have your own kids working on their family's farms, do you?

Farms can be dangerous but then so can the deep fat fryer at Sonic.

Protect us from ourselves. You'd think the government would have bigger fish to fry.
 
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-09 ... -21924.pdf

The newly enacted FLSA section
13(c)(2) stated that ‘‘[t]he provisions of
section 12 relating to child labor shall
apply to an employee below the age of
sixteen employed in agriculture in any
occupations that the Secretary of Labor
finds and declares to be particularly
hazardous for the employment of
children below the age of sixteen,
except where such employee is
employed by his parent or by a person
standing in place of his parent on a farm
owned or operated by such parent or
person.’’
It is important to note that the
amendment created a minimum age of
16 for the permissible performance of
hazardous work in agricultural
occupations, although 18 remained the
minimum age for the performance of
hazardous work in nonagricultural
employment. This statutory difference
remains to this day.
The Department issued an ‘‘interim’’
Hazardous Occupations Order in
Agriculture on November 1, 1967,
which listed 16 Ag H.O.s (see 32 FR
15479). Secretary of Labor Willard
Wirtz, in his statement which
accompanied the Order, wrote ‘‘n
issuing this Order, the Labor
Department enters a new field of
regulation—safety for youth employed
in agriculture. According to the National
Safety Council figures, the death rate for
agricultural workers is exceeded only by
those for miners and construction
workers. The agricultural revolution of
the past thirty years has mechanized the
farm and increased the use of chemicals.
Today the farm has many, if not more,
hazards than industry.’’
The Interim Order was effective from
January 1, 1968 to January 1, 1970. The
Interim Order was prepared in
consultation with farm organizations,
farm business groups, farm safety
experts, Federal and state government
agencies, and agricultural colleges. A
public hearing on the Order was held on
May 18, 1967 and written and oral
comments were received and reviewed.
The Interim Order prohibited the
employment of farm workers under 16
years of age in the following activities:
handling or using explosives or certain
farm chemicals; serving as a flagman for
aircraft; driving vehicles on public roads
or driving buses; operating, driving, or
riding farm tractors or hooking up their
power accessories with the motor
running; doing certain jobs on specified
farm tilling, handling, harvesting, and
processing equipment; operating power
post-hole diggers and post drivers;
working with power-saws; engaging in
timbering operations on trees over a 6-
inch diameter; working from ladders or
scaffolds at more than 20 feet; working
in certain gas-tight enclosures or in silos
with their top unloaders in the
operating position; and performing any
work in confined areas with stud horses,
dairy bulls, and boars.
The Interim Order noted that minors
under 16 who were employed by a
parent or by a person acting in place of
a parent on a farm owned or operated
by such parent or person were exempt
from the Ag H.O.s. It also created an
exemption for student-learners under
the age of 16 who were enrolled in a
bona fide cooperative vocational
program in agriculture under certain
conditions.
On June 6, 1968, the Department
modified the Interim Order to permit
14- and 15-year-olds to drive tractors
and operate other farm machinery
provided they completed a formal
training program in the safe use of such
equipment coordinated by the U.S.
Department of Agriculture’s Federal
Extension Service and its cooperative
units. The modification was published
in the Federal Register on June 11, 1968
(see 33 FR 8542). The Interim Order was
again amended on June 27, 1969 to
permit 14- and 15-year-old vocationalagricultural
students to operate tractors
and certain other farm equipment after
completing training in the safe use of
such equipment. This exemption was
requested by the Division of Vocational
and Technical Education, Office of
Education, U.S. Department of Health,
Education, and Welfare. This
modification was published in the
Federal Register on July 4, 1969 (see 34
FR 11263
 
Ryder":363r2ifv said:
bigbull338":363r2ifv said:
sheesh i grew up working on the dairy.an it sure didnt hurt me 1 bit.if they pass something like no kid will know how to work.
So did I. But at times I thought it was killing me. :help:
But it didn't kill me. In fact, looking back on it I had a lot of opportunity that I just took for granted at the time.
Somebody recently asked me what kind of curfew I had when I was a kid. Took me a minute to figure out what they meant. It was a strange concept to me. I knew what time I had to go to the barn and didn't need to know anything else.
you got that right i went out on fri nite with my friends an always made it home at a reasonable hour.an i knew i had tobe up an in the barn helping the next morning.
 
just another example of the federal gov't exercising power they were never given. i personally would ignore it if it ever came to pass.........there comes a time that a man has to separate himself from such foolishness.
 
Child labor laws dictated that I couldn't allow kids under 18 (I think) to operate meat grinders and such. Maybe this is an extension of those.
 
i grew up on a farm and also worked construction with my dad.at times i wished i lived n the city but when i did move to town i sure did miss the country.effin govt needs to leave honest,hard workin,tax payin folks alone and go after all the free loaders that are killing this country.i would move but i really dont know if its any better n any other country.
 
GMN":17ozlmj3 said:
They are trying to pass a law now to prevent kids under 18 from working on farms, even family ones, no driving tractors, or operating equipment-what a crock of crap-I personally think kids who work and are raised on farms are way better in work attitude thn the city kids-they just expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. I think its time to knock some sense into these people who come up with this lame stuff-or hmm let just vote them out of their jobs-

I agree that the law is crap and should be voted down. Lots of agriculture groups are lobbying against it so that's a good sign.

I think your statement about city kids is crap, too. I was lucky enough to grow up in both worlds. I knew lots of city kids that could outwork anyone on this forum and I knew lots of country kids that were as lazy as anyone. Still do on both counts. Just because someone grew up in the city doesn't mean they don't work hard and just because someone grew up on a farm or ranch doesn't mean they do. It's got more to do with parenting than where a person lives.
 
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