marlboro man

[starbaby]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01 ... sease?lite

 

[Farmerjon]

I have no documentation, but have heard that everyone that portrayed the Marlboro man died of lung cancer. When I smoked, that was why they were known as "cowboy killers".

 

[Isomade]

I have no documentation, but have heard that everyone that portrayed the Marlboro man died of lung cancer. When I smoked, that was why they were known as "cowboy killers".

Nope, Turk Robinson is a good friend, the First Marlboro Man, doesn't smoke, and is very much alive.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nature_photog/3921483302/

 

[john250]

"Smoking related" death is whatever the statisticians declare to be "smoking related". If some cowboy in an F250 ran over you at the crosswalk while you were distracted fumbling in your pocket for a lighter that is "smoking related". I'm not promoting smoking, but there is an agenda with the "anti-tobacco" crowd which is funded by taxes on tobacco. If they eliminate smoking, they're out of a job. These statisticians could easily switch to declaring being run over by a cowboy to be "Beef related". Sheep farmer, "Mutton related". Backyard chickens, "chicken related".
I decided long ago that worrying about smoking would kill you sooner than smoking.
"Second hand smoke" is a real statistical nightmare. Call me a denier. I don't believe in "climate change/global warming" either.

 

[3waycross]

I am pretty sure Darrel Winfield did die from smoking related illness. However Jerry Dominic was a contemporery of his. Jerry is from my home town and they spent a lot of time here shooting commercials around this country. Especially the Ute Trail area. Another friend of mine was a roadie for that crew for years. He is sure enuf busted up from that job.

This is Jerry. I saw him about a month ago at the barbershop. He was very much alive and not movin too bad for the shape he's in.

http://motherpie.typepad.com/motherpie/ ... ro_ma.html

 

[boondocks]

"Smoking related" death is whatever the statisticians declare to be "smoking related". If some cowboy in an F250 ran over you at the crosswalk while you were distracted fumbling in your pocket for a lighter that is "smoking related". I'm not promoting smoking, but there is an agenda with the "anti-tobacco" crowd which is funded by taxes on tobacco. If they eliminate smoking, they're out of a job. These statisticians could easily switch to declaring being run over by a cowboy to be "Beef related". Sheep farmer, "Mutton related". Backyard chickens, "chicken related".
I decided long ago that worrying about smoking would kill you sooner than smoking.
"Second hand smoke" is a real statistical nightmare. Call me a denier. I don't believe in "climate change/global warming" either.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... 8143.story
Per the above, 2 of them died of COPD/emphysema, and 2 of lung cancer. All smoked for many years. I don't really think an valid argument can be made that there's not a pretty strong link between COPD and smoking, or lung cancer and smoking...
As for cigarette taxes, what's unfair about asking people who smoke to bear the real costs of it, not externalize the costs to everyone else? If that helps a young kid to not take up the habit (doesn't have the $), all the better. As for the "anti-tobacco crowd" being out of a job if they eliminate smoking, doesn't that mean they wouldn't be trying so hard to stop smoking? All due respect, you can't logically argue that both ways...

 

[Ryder]

I used to smoke. I quit years ago because "I" decided to quit. I would encourage anyone not to smoke.
But I do not like this social engineering bringing pressure to bear to make people quit smoking. That is not freedom like America used to be.

 

[3waycross]

I used to smoke. I quit years ago because "I" decided to quit. I would encourage anyone not to smoke.
But I do not like this social engineering bringing pressure to bear to make people quit smoking. That is not freedom like America used to be.

I would agree with you except for the fact that sooner or later i and others end up paying for your descision to smoke.......Why should someone who never smoked be forced to pay for those who do.

That's not social engineering that's recognizing that a thing is a poisin and doing everything in our power to keep kids from ever starting on it.

 

[Ryder]

I used to smoke. I quit years ago because "I" decided to quit. I would encourage anyone not to smoke.
But I do not like this social engineering bringing pressure to bear to make people quit smoking. That is not freedom like America used to be.

I would agree with you except for the fact that sooner or later i and others end up paying for your descision to smoke.......Why should someone who never smoked be forced to pay for those who do.

That's not social engineering that's recognizing that a thing is a poisin and doing everything in our power to keep kids from ever starting on it.

Smoking today, then alcohol, then sugar, then red meat, etc.
Don't forget seat belts, 45 mph speed limit on interstate.
Just turn it all over to big brother then we wont have a care in the world.
And by the way, you really don't need those guns and ammunition. Somebody has, can, and will get hurt.

 

[3waycross]

I would agree with you except for the fact that sooner or later i and others end up paying for your descision to smoke.......Why should someone who never smoked be forced to pay for those who do.

That's not social engineering that's recognizing that a thing is a poisin and doing everything in our power to keep kids from ever starting on it.[/quote]
Smoking today, then alcohol, then sugar, then red meat, etc.
Don't forget seat belts, 45 mph speed limit on interstate.
Just turn it all over to big brother then we wont have a care in the world.
And by the way, you really don't need those guns and ammunition. Somebody has, can, and will get hurt.[/quote]


Come on Ryder you are way to smart to spout that kind of ignorant crap. It's a filthy stinkin habit that does no one any good at all other than to satisfy a vraving that the cigs made in the first place. If you want to compare it to something try morphine or crack, and i can tell you from my miserable persona;l experience that smokeless it worse for you than cigs it just doesn't affect others as much except for haveing to smell someones nasty ass skoal breath.

You picked a bad fight on this one. You are sure free to do whatever you want to you and yours but not to me and mine....and i shouldn't have to pay one extra cent for healthcare because of the stinkin things.

BTW regarding Alcohol. I have lost 4 close friends to the effects of a lifetime of abusing it in the last 6 months. Not one of them saw his 65th birthday and let me tell you these guys were serious fuelers.

Anyone who forgets the phrase "Moderation in all things" is a fool in my book.

 

[Ryder]

I would agree with you except for the fact that sooner or later i and others end up paying for your descision to smoke.......Why should someone who never smoked be forced to pay for those who do.

That's not social engineering that's recognizing that a thing is a poisin and doing everything in our power to keep kids from ever starting on it.

Smoking today, then alcohol, then sugar, then red meat, etc.
Don't forget seat belts, 45 mph speed limit on interstate.
Just turn it all over to big brother then we wont have a care in the world.
And by the way, you really don't need those guns and ammunition. Somebody has, can, and will get hurt.[/quote]


Come on Ryder you are way to smart to spout that kind of ignorant crap. It's a filthy stinkin habit that does no one any good at all other than to satisfy a vraving that the cigs made in the first place. If you want to compare it to something try morphine or crack, and i can tell you from my miserable persona;l experience that smokeless it worse for you than cigs it just doesn't affect others as much except for haveing to smell someones nasty ass skoal breath.

You picked a bad fight on this one. You are sure free to do whatever you want to you and yours but not to me and mine....and i shouldn't have to pay one extra cent for healthcare because of the stinkin things.

BTW regarding Alcohol. I have lost 4 close friends to the effects of a lifetime of abusing it in the last 6 months. Not one of them saw his 65th birthday and let me tell you these guys were serious fuelers.

Anyone who forgets the phrase "Moderation in all things" is a fool in my book.[/quote]

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I fail to see your logic in faulting my logic.
But with Obummers executive orders and your judgment on whatever you choose to pass judgment on,
the rest of us should have stress free lives without having to make decisions for ourselves. :mrgreen:

 

[Shantilly]

I am a smoker and I am really sick of all of this political crap and taxes on us smokers. Do me a huge favor, please check to see how much crap is emitted when you fire up your truck,grill, bonfire, and let's not forget welding and anything else that burns. I do not advocate smoking, but it's NOT THE ONLY THING THAT CAN CAUSE LUNG ISSUES. I was exposed to asbestos for years working in auto parts, but because I smoke they will not acknowledge that as a possible reason for me to have lung issues. It will be because I am a smoker. I had a great grandmother who lived to be 96 and smoked cigars and drank whiskey everyday. my maternal grandmother was surrounded by 2nd smoke her whole marriage until she passed away in 84.. no lung issues with her ever... so I won't buy into this causes that, ect .i believe the majority of things is based on hereditary including dental problems... *climbs off soapbox and trips over left foot*

 

[3waycross]

I am a smoker and I am really sick of all of this political crap and taxes on us smokers. Do me a huge favor, please check to see how much crap is emitted when you fire up your truck,grill, bonfire, and let's not forget welding and anything else that burns. I do not advocate smoking, but it's NOT THE ONLY THING THAT CAN CAUSE LUNG ISSUES. I was exposed to asbestos for years working in auto parts, but because I smoke they will not acknowledge that as a possible reason for me to have lung issues. It will be because I am a smoker. I had a great grandmother who lived to be 96 and smoked cigars and drank whiskey everyday. my maternal grandmother was surrounded by 2nd smoke her whole marriage until she passed away in 84.. no lung issues with her ever... so I won't buy into this causes that, ect .i believe the majority of things is based on hereditary including dental problems... *climbs off soapbox and trips over left foot*

Ryder is arguing that others do not have the right to tell him if he can or cannot smoke. I respect that but it's not about his personal freedom it's about me not wanting to have to pay for it.
Getting tobacco free may be one of the hardest things i ever did. I would not go back to either poisin for anything.

On the other hand Shantilly you are arguing that cigarettes are not necessarily harmful...............................well bless your heart.

 

[boondocks]

Ryder and Shantilly,
Do you see that there is a big industry, formed over a century or two now, to try to GET you to smoke? You seem really upset about the forces encouraging you (even nudging you) to try to take better care of yourselves and NOT smoke. Please do save just a little bit of that righteous indignation for an industry which put out a product it knew was poison; marketed it (thru drs!) as a health kick; put chemicals in to deliberately make it more addictive; marketed it to kids; then lied to cover up all of the above for decades....

I don't know your circumstances, but go ask your kids (if you've got them), parents or spouses (ditto) whether they are glad you are exercising your right to smoke, or would prefer that you quit. Then report back.....My dad was recently hospitalized for COPD. Keeps getting pneumonia now. He's gone pretty quickly from an active retirement, golfing/travelling/fishing, to almost unable to walk. Think he wishes he could take back years of smoking?

 

[highgrit]

Fact is smoking stinks, I can't stand the smell of a cigarette makes me gag. I don't mind pipe or cigar smoke for some reason. And yes COPD is caused by a lot of things. I know this first hand. I quit smoking and dipping 22 years ago, didn't want my son to see his Dad using tobacco of any kind. And it might of worked, none of my kids smoke. My parents both smoked and my brothers all smoked also, I still have one brother that smokes. My mother died last summer from COPD, she started smoking at 9 years old and never had cancer. The bottom line is smoking is bad and it's a nasty habit. They have almost cured AIDS, but haven't found a cure for cancer, yea right. They have a cure, but cancer is what pays the bills and the general public will never see the cure. To much money in health care. :cowboy:

 

[Ryder]

Ryder and Shantilly,
Do you see that there is a big industry, formed over a century or two now, to try to GET you to smoke? You seem really upset about the forces encouraging you (even nudging you) to try to take better care of yourselves and NOT smoke. Please do save just a little bit of that righteous indignation for an industry which put out a product it knew was poison; marketed it (thru drs!) as a health kick; put chemicals in to deliberately make it more addictive; marketed it to kids; then lied to cover up all of the above for decades....

I don't know your circumstances, but go ask your kids (if you've got them), parents or spouses (ditto) whether they are glad you are exercising your right to smoke, or would prefer that you quit. Then report back.....My dad was recently hospitalized for COPD. Keeps getting pneumonia now. He's gone pretty quickly from an active retirement, golfing/travelling/fishing, to almost unable to walk. Think he wishes he could take back years of smoking?

Talk about righteous indignation!!!! Look who is talking!
I DON'T SMOKE--which you would have known if you had read my post before jumping on your 'holier than thou' horse and riding in to attack me.
At one time I did smoke, and that was MY decision. For my own reasons I no longer smoke. Again MY decision.
It is unfortunate about your father, but his decisions and the consequences thereof is not to be laid at my door.

I believe in the right of individual freedom. Not the life of the individual sacrificed to the state or to those who take delight in doing the thinking and making decisions for the rest of us.
It is my understanding that our American forefathers founded this country in the quest for freedom and liberty and fought for freedom and liberty. I still believe in this.
It appears that you, Mr. Boondock, have little regard for individualism but want others to make your decisions and I suppose take care of you.

I quote from a famous author, knowing that some on CT recognize and understand the meaning. Others will not recognize and will not understand the words.
Nevertheless,

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I
will never live for the sake of another
man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

I have neither the time nor inclination to continue on in this endless circle of quibble. I leave that to you and ThreeWay and the liberal politicians.

Have a good day and please allow me to do the same.

 

[boondocks]

Ryder,

I had read all your posts and, it being late, forgot that you said you had quit. My apologies. I am sure your family is glad for that, and I hope that by doing so, you avoid the health problems my dad is having (which I was not, of course, laying at your feet). All I was trying to do was to point out that when folks chafe at societal pressure to not smoke, I wish they would realize that (1) the non-smoking "push" to which they object is pretty recent, in relative terms; and (2) it was preceded, and is still today countered by, very strong efforts to (a) get people to start smoking and (b) to smoke often.

I too am a strong believer in individual rights. With that, comes great responsibility. That is a true conservative position. The problem is, we have set things up so that we often get the "right" to do something, but we get to externalize (pass the costs on to others) of our doing so. We have an awful lot of fast food eaters, drinkers, and smokers on medicare and medicaid. In my county, as of last year, 55% of the county budget went just to Medicaid! (That does not even include Medicare). A close friend is a local healthcare provider. How many of those county Medicaid patients smoke (and drink, and eat junk) and have related illnesses? Not just a few. MOST. So yes, I don't mind if a bit of the so-called "nanny government" pushes back and tries to get people to curb smoking, eg. Some of these folks literally won't spend 4 dollars on a prescription for generic blood pressure pills at Walmart (say they can't afford it) but can spends hundreds on cigs. They then have strokes due to uncontrolled high blood pressure and guess who foots the bill for hospital care, nursing home care, etc? But they're exercising their individual rights, I guess, so it's ok that taxes have quadrupled in 10 yrs. (I'm not trying to knock all Medicaid patients, or lump them in together. I know that many are good folks fallen on hard times, and they do try to get back on their feet.)

I also hate to see big companies make money off killing people. My mother and mother-in-law also have COPD.(They smoked too, but quit). So that's 3 out of 4 parents in my family. So yeah, these issues hit a bit close to home I guess...

 

[greybeard]

All this talk makes me want to go out on the cold porch and have a smoke.
I think I will.
Later.

 

[Shantilly]

my point wasnt that non smokers should have to pay for my bad habit.. but i am sick of people pointing the proverbial finger at JUST tobacco when there are tons of other things on earth that can cause the same problems which i listed a few in my other post. But what about the alcohol abusers? Innocent people get maimed and/or killed because some idiot decided to drink and drive. But no one is pushing to add more taxes or shut them down. My opinion is because there are more drinkers in higher office and its ok to do it, go ahead and kill your liver and kidneys... saves your heart and lowers cholesterol so it can't be that bad. So as a smoker and a non drinker I have to help pay for people who get hurt by a drunk driver.