Marking a calf

Jogeephus

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Exactly when and how does a cow mark her calf? Has there been any research on this that gives a definitive answers of how, when and where? I know what I always thought but I would like to hear something more concrete. Also, how often does this go amiss and under what circumstances can this be most commonly found? Thanks
 
Jogeephus":1m28i66p said:
Exactly when and how does a cow mark her calf? Has there been any research on this that gives a definitive answers of how, when and where? I know what I always thought but I would like to hear something more concrete. Also, how often does this go amiss and under what circumstances can this be most commonly found? Thanks

I have not got a clue, why will a cow except one twin and fight the other. I have grafted calves before some cows will graft to a calf and some won't. I have caught there pi$$ and poured on the calf. Work with one cow not the next, I have used Karo poured on the calf and got a cow to take one.
 
It has always amazed me how a cow can recognize the sound of her calf bawling amongst others. I have herd cows bawl for their calves and seen the calf come running well over a hundred yards. The bad part is when you catch a calf in the pasture to put an ear tag in, trying to keep the calf from bawling. If it does you will shortly here what sounds like a freight train coming your way.
 
Angus/Brangus":15csr5su said:
novatech":15csr5su said:
It has always amazed me how a cow can recognize the sound of her calf bawling amongst others. I have herd cows bawl for their calves and seen the calf come running well over a hundred yards. The bad part is when you catch a calf in the pasture to put an ear tag in, trying to keep the calf from bawling. If it does you will shortly here what sounds like a freight train coming your way.

I had that exact thing happen to this last fall. I could feel the ground shaking as momma came running. Thank God for a working 4-wheeler.

Yes, and over at my brothers place the momma usually has all of her friends running behind her to come see what is going on. I have had more than one bumpy ride in the back of the gator hanging on to the calf, that ol gator needs a power boost sometimes. :shock:
 
Its reassuring to be in the dark with such good company. :D I took for granted my idea of how they were marked was simply due to the calving process but I now think it is more complicated than that after my ideas were shattered Monday. Monday, I happened on a cow that had just calved a black face next to a board fence. I documented the birth. Next day, a heifer calved a baldie in the same location and the other cow and her calf as well as several others had set up a nursery. Anyhow, the heifer was standing over her calf and cleaning it so I left them be. Came back that afternoon only to find the calf laying there shivering and only partially cleaned. I drove thru the calving lot and found the heifer following the cow and her calf around and trying to herd the calf away from the cow. They tusselled on a few occasions. Anyhow, I cut the heifer out and put her in a closed pen along with her calf and left her there for two days. She was livid and all but tore out of the pen and would have nothing to do with her calf. I also tried putting a nurse cow in the pen but to no avail.

Though I don't have any answers, I did make some observations which may have something to do with marking. First, they calved in the same spot and it is highly likely that some of the afterbirth from the cow was still on the ground or at least some fluids were. Also, when the calf bawled, the heifer would come to the calf but after one sniff would walk off. The calf also seemed to know who his ma was as he would follow her and try to nurse only to be kicked off once she got a whiff of him.

Other than that, I'm left with more questions. Since I calve on a closed season, its impossible to observe each birth but I'm wondering if this doesn't happen more often than I realize. Could this be the reason I sometimes - rarely - find a calf tucked off to the side with no one claiming it? Could this also be the reason I sometimes - rarely - find a dead calf lying in the weeds that has been cleaned up and lying as though it were simply sleeping? I truly don't know but it does spark my interest. I have always been of the opinion these calves were flawed in some way and this was nature's way of culling them. But in this instance, there is nothing observably wrong with the orphan other than his ma is sorry.

As for marking the calf, it would seem that it is based on both sound and smell but the overiding factor being smell. I also wonder if the smell part is not controlled by a certain part of the afterbirth. But I don't know. All I do know is I now have Trouble on the farm cause I have a calf being nursed by two mommas and one that is being nursed by a two-legged incompetant cull who the calf has now marked as his ma. :oops: Seems cow takes calf during the morning shift and is followed around by the heifer until the cow lays down or goes to eat then heifer/cow takes over. Truly a strange and troubling event.
 
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I think just like people some cows don't have as good a sniffer as others and therefore are more prone to get confused. I also throughly believe heifers have a greater chance of being confused because this is a whole new experiece for them and they are learning along the way.

I say this about he cows sniffer because I have one old cow that seems to get confused at times as to which calf is hers. I few years ago her and another cow went off and calved at the same time in the same spot but they came out with only 1 calf. They both mothered this heifer and she was the most absolute jiggly fat calf we have ever weaned. She was obviously the other cows calf. Then last year another cows calf got behind the fence but this cow thought it was her calf and stood there and bawled until we got the calf back, then she smelled it all over before she realized it wasn't hers and went to find hers. I don't know, it could all be coincidense.
 
You don;t think that floating around in amniotic fluid for 9 months puts a distinct smell on a calf?
 
KenB":xor8uk1t said:
hrbelgians":xor8uk1t said:
CKC1586":xor8uk1t said:
Wow, very good article. Thanks for posting the site.

I'll second that!!

:clap: Same here.

Wow, now that is one good article. Thanks for finding that. It explains a lot and I can now see where I can make some improvements to keep this from happening as well as why it probably did happen.

Thanks again.
 
I believe that it is auditory or at least sound has alot to do with the identification process. Ever notice that soon after birth, the cow will constantly moo and for lack of a better description, humm at her calf and the calf has that low humm back. Scent is most likely the major factor but IMO sound plays a big part.
Just my two bits worth...asked for or not...DMc
 
That was a very interesting read. It explains clearly what we have witnessed with our cow. Thank you for sharing.
 

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