Manitoba cow is "atypical"

[Oldtimer]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

Looks to me like another good reason to keep quarantines on all live cattle movements- until they get some transmission answers....

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Investigation Overview
Canada has confirmed its sixth case of BSE. The five previous cases of BSE found in Canada were characterised as being similar to the majority of the BSE cases found around the world; however, this sixth case is a less prevalent strain of BSE which has also been reported in Europe and in the U.S.

With refinement and advancement in diagnostic test methods, scientists have only very recently demonstrated the existence of more than one strain of BSE, although multiple strains are known to occur in both human (CJD) and sheep (scrapie) prion diseases.

This less prevalent BSE strain is more difficult to detect and affects mainly older animals. Of the more than 200,000 BSE cases recorded worldwide, less than 100 are known to have been infected with different BSE strains. There is some speculation that the discovery of these different strains came to light as a result of the enhanced BSE surveillance programs occurring worldwide.

 

[frenchie]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

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Ot so are you saying that any country with atypical B.S.E should lose the right to export live cattle... including the U.S ;-)

 

[Oldtimer]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

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Ot so are you saying that any country with atypical B.S.E should lose the right to export live cattle... including the U.S ;-)

Right now with the little science knows or understands about it, I think that would be the wise and prudent move...

 

[frenchie]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

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Ot so are you saying that any country with atypical B.S.E should lose the right to export live cattle... including the U.S ;-)

Right now with the little science knows or understands about it, I think that would be the wise and prudent move...

Oh course If live cattle is a problem so is beef from these countries...Do you agree :?:

 

[Oldtimer]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

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Ot so are you saying that any country with atypical B.S.E should lose the right to export live cattle... including the U.S ;-)

Right now with the little science knows or understands about it, I think that would be the wise and prudent move...

Oh course If live cattle is a problem so is beef from these countries...Do you agree :?:

Not necessarily- depending on the risk ratio--but it would be the prudent move...They don't know if this "atypical" is spread by contaminated feed or not- nor if it can be spread by oral consumption or not...Some of the scientists are suggesting that it closer resembles other TSE's like CWD- which they think could be transmitted by urine or other forms of contact...


I think we need to go back to USDA's original BSE policy that was in place in 2002 and that was set up after years of study- and still is probably the best firewall for keeping more of the disease from entering or being spread thruout the country....

And it appears to me that we (US) should definitely not be importing cattle or beef from Canada with the much higher risk ratio- now having found both strains- and a typical strain which is showing itself to be much more virile than previously, and a feedban that is not working...

Actually with all the unknowns about this atypical strain it surprised me when Canada opened up to all US cattle including breeding stock...

 

[frenchie]

I thought I had heard last week that the Manitoba cow was "atypical"-- now the CFIA is confirming it...How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

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Ot so are you saying that any country with atypical B.S.E should lose the right to export live cattle... including the U.S ;-)

Right now with the little science knows or understands about it, I think that would be the wise and prudent move...

Oh course If live cattle is a problem so is beef from these countries...Do you agree :?:

Not necessarily- depending on the risk ratio--but it would be the prudent move......

What ...Not necessary because they are American cows Ot

And it appears to me that we (US) should definitely not be importing cattle or beef from Canada with the much higher risk ratio- now having found both strains- and a typical strain which is showing itself to be much more virile than previously, and a feedban that is not working.........

Ot..You have no conclusive evidence the feedban is not working. There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.
As far as your A-typical strain comment why the big concern..she was born way before the feedban ..as was your a-typical cows

The truth of the matter is that there was 25 % of the b.S.e infected cows in the U.K that were a-typical as well. Funny thing is thatThe U.K just labelled them all one and the same.

Actually with all the unknowns about this atypical strain it surprised me when Canada opened up to all US cattle including breeding stock.........

Breeding stock If they were born after the feedban.Personally I don,t have many problems with this Except ..I would like to see the following

#1 branded with a U.S on one hip.

#2 A R.F.I.D tag or tatoo in place to identify the animals birthplace and birthdate
#3 any animals that can not be age verifed for or its origin is undetermined..be rejected for import.

 

[msscamp]

How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

Looks to me like another good reason to keep quarantines on all live cattle movements- until they get some transmission answers....

In my mind a better question is when is the US going to deal with their own BSE problem instead of blaming it on Canada - (Canada is not stated, but you've made enough posts that it is clear who you are implying is at fault)? Since we have had BSE diagnosed in native cattle, those quarantines apply to us, as well as any other country that has had incidences of BSE, would you not agree OT?

 

[mwj]

How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

Looks to me like another good reason to keep quarantines on all live cattle movements- until they get some transmission answers....

In my mind a better question is when is the US going to deal with their own BSE problem instead of blaming it on Canada - (Canada is not stated, but you've made enough posts that it is clear who you are implying is at fault)? Since we have had BSE diagnosed in native cattle, those quarantines apply to us, as well as any other country that has had incidences of BSE, would you not agree OT?

8) :cboy:

 

[Oldtimer]

How long are we going to allow this disease to be shipped and spread around the world- especially when they have no clues on what causes or how this strain is spread? As these tests are refined and developed, how many more strains will be discovered?

Looks to me like another good reason to keep quarantines on all live cattle movements- until they get some transmission answers....

In my mind a better question is when is the US going to deal with their own BSE problem instead of blaming it on Canada - (Canada is not stated, but you've made enough posts that it is clear who you are implying is at fault)? Since we have had BSE diagnosed in native cattle, those quarantines apply to us, as well as any other country that has had incidences of BSE, would you not agree OT?

msscamp-- I agree- we are still allowing the short term "economical science" to override the long term true science- and I think some day it will come back to bite us in the butt... We are not doing that by dropping most testing, refusing to close the feedbans as suggested by the leading independent scientists, refusing to allow private companies (Creekstone etal) to do testing, and still importing from high risk BSE countries (Canada and Japan) whose incidence and potency of the disease is increasing rather than decreasing....

Thats why I say the USDA should never have allowed the Packer and politician lobbying to influence them in throwing out their long developed BSE policy.....

As far as Canada is concerned- that is the most apparent BSE risk country that we import large amounts of beef and live cattle from- and I believe the concern there should be great and is rising...The finding of this 50 month old cow that was in full blown staggering, dying manifestation of the disease has many scientists and those in the medical field concerned....They are wondering, like I am, with the finding of this extra potent prions that allow the disease to manifest itself at such a young age - how many of the under thirty month old cattle Canada is sending to the US for slaughter are in the later stages of manifestation of the disease- with a high build up of the infectious prions, but not to the stage where its visible on the animal -that are being slaughtered in the US slaughter plants-- creating further contamination of/thru meat, processing equipment, feedban loopholes, SRM disposal, etc- putting the US cattle herd and the US consumer at a much higher risk.... :(

I'm not aware of any meat shortage in the US - or any Americans that will starve if we shut down the Canadian border until they get a better handle on the disease...

Is it worth the risk to the long term US cattle herd, US cattle industry, and the US consumer that has been so loyal and trusting over the years?

We have everything to lose and nothing to gain from it....

 

[frenchie]

.. We are not doing that by dropping most testing, ....

Wait a minute here Ot are you now saying the U.S testing program is inadequate :lol: Gosh only took you 3 yrs to admit the truth.

how many of the under thirty month old cattle Canada is sending to the US for slaughter are in the later stages of manifestation of the disease- with a high build up of the infectious prions, ....

Thats a great argument until you realize that there is no adequate testing being carried on in the U.S to discern..what risk catergory U.s cattle of the same age fall into.

We have everything to lose and nothing to gain from it....

Pretty hard to make matters worse when you are already a b.s.e infected country there OT

 

[Oldtimer]

.. We are not doing that by dropping most testing, ....

Wait a minute here Ot are you now saying the U.S testing program is inadequate :lol: Gosh only took you 3 yrs to admit the truth.

frenchie- I've questioned USDA's BSE policy for years...I do not think now is the time to stop all their BSE testing- nor the time to deny private companies the right to test all cattle-- especially when they want to open up to more cattle from a high risk country (Canada)...

how many of the under thirty month old cattle Canada is sending to the US for slaughter are in the later stages of manifestation of the disease- with a high build up of the infectious prions, ....

Thats a great argument until you realize that there is no adequate testing being carried on in the U.S to discern..what risk catergory U.s cattle of the same age fall into.

Just because we don't know what risk category we are in- we shouldn't be concerned about how diseased the cattle Canada is sending down to us are? Think again frenchie...

We have everything to lose and nothing to gain from it....

Pretty hard to make matters worse when you are already a b.s.e infected country there OT

But just because you have one rattlesnake living under your porch that you can't get rid of yet doesn't mean you want to go out and bring in a dozen more...
Importing Canadian beef at this time is just like importing rattlesnakes...

 

[frenchie]

frenchie- I've questioned USDA's BSE policy for years...I do not think now is the time to stop all their BSE testing- nor the time to deny private companies the right to test all cattle-- especially when they want to open up to more cattle from a high risk country (Canada)...

High risk as compared to what ... your testing program :lol: :lol: that uses a test that has been proven to have failed to detect b.s.e in an infected animal.What an model way to convince your consumers your beef is safe. .

I know who testing program I trust.

You say you questioned the U.S.D.A testing program for years..bull just awhile back you were bragging it up as a superior testing program citing great confidence in its results..So which is it effective or ineffective :roll:

how many of the under thirty month old cattle Canada is sending to the US for slaughter are in the later stages of manifestation of the disease- with a high build up of the infectious prions, ....

Thats a great argument until you realize that there is no adequate testing being carried on in the U.S to discern..what risk catergory U.s cattle of the same age fall into.

Just because we don't know what risk category we are in- .

Oh so now your saying you don,t know what risk catergory you are in..I thought you said U.S cattle were lower risk than Cdn cattle Ot..
How is that possible if you don,t even know your own risk catergory... The truth of the matter is the U.S is a b.s.e infected country the same as Canada is .And no amount of spinning or twisting the story will change that.

But just because you have one rattlesnake living under your porch that you can't get rid of yet doesn't mean you want to go out and bring in a dozen more...
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Nor does it mean that you shoot a few garder snakes , when it might leave you short of shells to shoot the other 300 rattlesnakes that are hiding in other places, you forgot to look Ot

 

[Oldtimer]

You say you questioned the U.S.D.A testing program for years..bull just awhile back you were bragging it up as a superior testing program citing great confidence in its results..So which is it effective or ineffective

Canada and CFIA, apparently with no complaints from Canadian consumers, producers or cattlemans groups have accepted USDA's testing program and evalutation that the US has virtually "no risk for BSE" , since last month they opened up all of Canada to ALL US Cattle/Beef including seedstock.....

But many down here, still haven't got any answers from Canada or CFIA as to why Canada's feedban apparently has not/is not working and why Canada continues to have the Mad Cow of the Month award--With younger and younger manifestation of the disease- and a statement from CFIA now saying more will be found in all the western provinces....

 

[Anonymous]

Great information

 

[frenchie]

You say you questioned the U.S.D.A testing program for years..bull just awhile back you were bragging it up as a superior testing program citing great confidence in its results..So which is it effective or ineffective

Canada and CFIA, apparently with no complaints from Canadian consumers, producers or cattlemans groups have accepted USDA's testing program and evalutation that the US has virtually "no risk for BSE" , since last month they opened up all of Canada to ALL US Cattle/Beef including seedstock.........

Not all seedstock / or cull cows Ot just those born after the feedban .

But many down here, still haven't got any answers from Canada or CFIA as to why Canada's feedban apparently has not/is not working

Ot you have no evidence that Canada,s feedban is not working.There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.

why Canada continues to have the Mad Cow of the Month award--.

I quess if you keep telling this lie long enough ,Ot someone might believe it after awhile.

 

[Oldtimer]

frenchie

Ot you have no evidence that Canada,s feedban is not working.There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.

If thats the situation- and its that much of a big unknown-- then I think all the borders from BSE countries should be shut down- or test all-- until they find out what is causing it....

 

[frenchie]

frenchie

Ot you have no evidence that Canada,s feedban is not working.There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.

If thats the situation- and its that much of a big unknown-- then I think all the borders from BSE countries should be shut down- or test all-- until they find out what is causing it....

Ot ..Be a bugger when you tell the Japs you don,t want to export anymore. :shock:

 

[Oldtimer]

frenchie

Ot you have no evidence that Canada,s feedban is not working.There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.

If thats the situation- and its that much of a big unknown-- then I think all the borders from BSE countries should be shut down- or test all-- until they find out what is causing it....

Ot ..Be a bugger when you tell the Japs you don,t want to export anymore. :shock:

I don't expect any of them would starve.....

 

[frenchie]

frenchie

Ot you have no evidence that Canada,s feedban is not working.There is not definite proof that the b.s.e found in Canada is not caused by something else..Such as items that are excluded from both our feedbans.

If thats the situation- and its that much of a big unknown-- then I think all the borders from BSE countries should be shut down- or test all-- until they find out what is causing it....

Ot ..Be a bugger when you tell the Japs you don,t want to export anymore. :shock:

I don't expect any of them would starve.....

I reckon not.. :lol: