Luck or Skill?

[Kingfisher]

Is it "luck" working a Bull or "Skill?"
I don't think too much about " Ms Luck" worken them. I think luck might kill ya!

 

[Caustic Burno]

I think a lot of people are lucky until one day.

Rule one never trust a bull his entire thought pattern is to beller, fight, fornicate and dig holes when not grazing and repeat.

 

[Son of Butch]

Is it "luck" working a Bull or "Skill?"

I'll agitate and say neither. It's awareness.
Experience doesn't hurt either.

 

[kenny thomas]

I have been hurt bad by a bull that was very gentle. I just done something and wasn't paying attention. I went back 2 days later and loaded that bull and another both weighing over 2200lb each. I think if I had not went back I would have had to quit.

 

[Son of Butch]

I have been hurt bad by a bull that was very gentle. I just done something and wasn't paying attention.

Awareness.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." - Yogi Berra

 

[Nesikep]

I think awareness is a great part of it, and that comes with experience/skill... Luck is what might get you out alive after the Awareness, experience and skill have failed you.

I was slammed into the board this spring by a little snotty bull.. knew all along he was trouble. Loaded a number of other arseholes into the trailer too, and knew they were up to no good.

 

[hillbilly beef man]

Be on your toes and always have your escape route planned out at all times. I practice this with any cattle, not just bulls.

 

[JMJ Farms]

"You can observe a lot just by watching." - Yogi Berra

Not to hijack but I've often wondered if old Yogi sat down and dreamed up the sayings. Hard to believe that anyone accidentally make so many "contradicting" statements. But they sure are funny.

As for Bulls I have never and will never trust one. They are animals. Animals are unpredictable. People are getting unpredictable also.

 

[Nesikep]

It's pretty bad when I gotta say I trust most bulls more than most people

 

[Duramaxgirl]

We never trust the cows either. In fact that's one of the reasons we started AI along with herd improvement. But I think it takes both skill and luck to work with bulls. Skill to know when to move and luck to be able to move fast enough.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

No use sittin around wondering which one's going to get ya. Treat cattle like cattle, and let the one who made them be in control, no luck needed.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick, may apply.

 

[TCRanch]

Last year we had a 2 year old bull that I hated, didn't trust him at all. My husband went into the pasture to spray him for flies & the bull charged. The ground was muddy, slippery, it was difficult to run so he blasted the bull in the face/eyes with the Fly Ban. Amazingly, it stopped the bull long enough for my husband to get out of the pasture. Luck, awareness, quick thinking, skill or all of the above? Sold the bull the following week.

 

[callmefence]

Be on your toes and always have your escape route planned out at all times. I practice this with any cattle, not just bulls.

X2
Everyone s really careful with the bulls. It's that little yearling that hasn't been worked much that flips her switch and runs you over cause you weren't paying attention.

 

[Boot Jack Bulls]

No use sittin around wondering which one's going to get ya. Treat cattle like cattle, and let the one who made them be in control, no luck needed.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick, may apply.

Good advice! Although, I have learned never to actually use the stick for more than a thump on the nose. I also refuse to use a hot shot on my bulls. They remember what you did and will pay you back when you drop your guard. When I work with my boys, I plan plenty of my day to get it done, never rush, and let them think my idea is actually theirs. In short, just like working with any other male, human or otherwise!!! :hide:

 

[Kingfisher]

Last year we had a 2 year old bull that I hated, didn't trust him at all. My husband went into the pasture ". And that's when the party started! Prolly not a good choice to "work" a beef in his room.
Too bad you don't have video.

 

[kenny thomas]

I have been hurt bad by a bull that was very gentle. I just done something and wasn't paying attention.

Awareness.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." - Yogi Berra

Excellent post. Not to brag but I consider myself one of the best at handling cattle in this area. I can work 80-100 a day by myself. Being aware of what the cow, or bull, is doing you can anticipate the next move and counteract it if needed. Let the cattle work themselves quietly goes lots better than yelling and whipping. Yes I got hurt pretty bad but again I wasn't paying attention. The bull was not mean, just the opposite, he was a touch too gentle.

 

[hillbilly beef man]

Be on your toes and always have your escape route planned out at all times. I practice this with any cattle, not just bulls.

X2
Everyone s really careful with the bulls. It's that little yearling that hasn't been worked much that flips her switch and runs you over cause you weren't paying attention.

I have gotten hurt much worse by 400 lb calves than anything else. The little buggers are small enough to be quick as lightning, but big enough to hurt you.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I loaded and hauled a red Angus to the sale today for a sick neighbor that was as bad as any bull every thought about.
She really needs to go through the old Winnie sale barn where they handled those Swamp Angels daily.
That cow was bat shyt crazy tried to ride on top of the trailer most of the way there.

 

[Nesikep]

I've seen many cows that were at least as aggressive as bulls, and in many cases far more... I know just the kind of cow you're talking about CB... I hauled one this spring.. she'd take a run at you from wherever she could see you

 

[JMJ Farms]

I've seen many cows that were at least as aggressive as bulls, and in many cases far more... I know just the kind of cow you're talking about CB... I hauled one this spring.. she'd take a run at you from wherever she could see you

Nesikep all you have to do when she charges is remain calm and at the last second step to the side, grab her ears as she goes by, and pull down and towards you real hard. Try it some time. But make sure you have a friend videoing it to use as a "how-to" video :lol: