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coachg said:
Are symptoms of hardware affect their respiratory system ?
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Yes. And what @KY
coachg said:
That's interesting. I've heard of hardware disease before but didn't know symptoms. Never googled it till now . I've lost cattle over the years from unknown causes . Makes you think . 🤔
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Hardware generally goes through the rumen and punctures the heart but can also puncture a lung or other organs. Symptoms I've seen in my cattle are rapid weight loss/loss of appetite, milk production drops if she has a calf on her, sometimes drooling, poo starts to get hard and dark, swollen brisket &/or legs, they may runch their back and lay down with their head/neck extended for better air flow. Temp is initially normal.

Magnets are inserted with a baling gun, and they settle in the rumen. Assuming the object it metal, it sticks to the magnet and stays there for the life of the cow. Well, theoretically. Rare, but it is possible for a magnet to pass.

Not my cow, but a magnet postmortem:
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TCRanch said:
Yes. And what @KY

Hardware generally goes through the rumen and punctures the heart but can also puncture a lung or other organs. Symptoms I've seen in my cattle are rapid weight loss/loss of appetite, milk production drops if she has a calf on her, sometimes drooling, poo starts to get hard and dark, swollen brisket &/or legs, they may runch their back and lay down with their head/neck extended for better air flow. Temp is initially normal.

Magnets are inserted with a baling gun, and they settle in the rumen. Assuming the object it metal, it sticks to the magnet and stays there for the life of the cow. Well, theoretically. Rare, but it is possible for a magnet to pass.

Not my cow, but a magnet postmortem:
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With the cost of a magnet being pretty cheap why do we all not use them? The vaccines we give each year costs way more thsn 1 magnet and its forever.
 
I think a lot of the symptoms of hardware are from cardiac tamponade where the foreign body penetrates the sac around the heart introducing bacteria which produces a thick puss that restricts the contractions of the heart and giving symptoms of heart failure. A bit like putting your hands around the heart restricting its pumping. @Lucky_P would be best to describe what he has found on autopsy.

Ken
 
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coachg said:
I was referring to if he had hardware .
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Maybe. Doubtful. My first case was 14 years ago. Vet came out and gave her a magnet but no antibiotics. As a general rule, by the time the disease has progressed to noticeable symptoms, it's too late. I did have another vet (same clinic) give a cow Resflor Gold because she had a slight temp. She had been given a magnet previously, but it was either something not metal or the aforementioned unlikely scenario the magnet had passed through her system. He also gave her another magnet, but nothing helped. After being hit by 2 tornadoes, I'm unfortunately way too familiar with the signs/symptoms of "hardware" which is actually traumatic reticuloperitonitis. That said, I've read online success stories. Legit? Maybe. But not in my world.

And @Travlr, we also have one of those big, rolling magnets. It's great around the barnyard and parts of the pastures/fields that are flat. "Flat" being the operative word, because there isn't much around here that isn't hilly & rocky. Since all my cows, bulls & retained heifers have magnets, my primary problem is glass. Thank you, booze cruisers, that toss your bottles in our pastures. :mad:
 
Surgery can be done by way of a rumenotomy and reaching down to the reticulum feeling for objects that can be pulled back through. Whether it results in improvement probably depends on damage already done. I've never done one but the practice I first worked in had all this interesting ancient gear of frames to pin the rumen to while working on it. They used to do a lot of small dairy farms that were all closing down when I started there and the old farmers were pretty astute at noticing a cow was not right and could pick the ones with "wire" so they probably got them early.

Ken
 

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