Lightning has struck!

[HOSS]

I was in Wal-Mart and they had 21 boxes of .223 ammo for 7.97 per box. The first and the cheapest I have seen in weeks. They had a 3 box limit so I bought 3 boxes and gave my son my debit card and he got me another 3 :cowboy:

 

[denvermartinfarms]

Good for you! i still can't find much 223 ammo, but the price of AR's has started to come down.

 

[skyhightree1]

Hoss play the lottery if they have it there immediately... Now that prices are going down and ammo is becoming available... I wonder if they know the outcome of the so called weapons ban and they are not gonna ban.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Ammo is starting to show up here at the local shop.

 

[highgrit]

I was at Wal-mart yesterday and no 22's yet. Hoss, I thought you were going to tell us Blondie bit the dust.

 

[HOSS]

I was at Wal-mart yesterday and no 22's yet. Hoss, I thought you were going to tell us Blondie bit the dust.

I keep striking out on Blondie. If and when I get him I may have him mounted no matter how ugly his hide is........he will earn the place of honor.

 

[tom4018]

Got some 223 a couple days ago at Walmart for $8.07 and found some 22 lr at a local grocery/archery/gun/tackle place for $34 for 525 rds of Winchester. Know people around that bought some for $60.

 

[HOSS]

Last year I bought several of the Federal 530 round packs for 14.00 each from a guy I work with. I think I got 10 boxes or so. He is kicking himself and I feel like a genius now.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Got some 223 a couple days ago at Walmart for $8.07 and found some 22 lr at a local grocery/archery/gun/tackle place for $34 for 525 rds of Winchester. Know people around that bought some for $60.

I was in the feed store the other day and noticed he had 5 boxes of 30-06 Remington 150 grain ask what the price was he said 21 bucks a box. I bought two then went back and bought the other three.

 

[denvermartinfarms]

Got some 223 a couple days ago at Walmart for $8.07 and found some 22 lr at a local grocery/archery/gun/tackle place for $34 for 525 rds of Winchester. Know people around that bought some for $60.

I was in the feed store the other day and noticed he had 5 boxes of 30-06 Remington 150 grain ask what the price was he said 21 bucks a box. I bought two then went back and bought the other three.

I would have done the same, but do you like 150s better than 180s. we have always shot 180s and really liked them.

 

[HOSS]

I like the 150's over the 180's myself. Seem to open up and expand better on deer sized game. The 180's I have shot deer with work fine but don't seem to expand on the lighter bone structure (at least on our smaller southern deer). My Garand is designed to shoot the 150's so I always buy or reload so that I can shoot them out of my Garand if I want. The heavier bullets and harder recoil is hard on the action and have been known to start cracks in the recievers on the aging rifles.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I have not shot anything but 150's out of it so I can't say.
The last deer I shot with that Remington 740 was in 1978, I have used it on varmits from time to time.
Son has got me pumped to do some serious deer hunting in other part's of the state or out of state.
Since I can't drive a long way and he is willing to drive I told him I was in. Figured I better brush up a little with it.
His company just got bought out so all I am waiting now is tell me where we are going.

 

[denvermartinfarms]

I like the 150's over the 180's myself. Seem to open up and expand better on deer sized game. The 180's I have shot deer with work fine but don't seem to expand on the lighter bone structure (at least on our smaller southern deer). My Garand is designed to shoot the 150's so I always buy or reload so that I can shoot them out of my Garand if I want. The heavier bullets and harder recoil is hard on the action and have been known to start cracks in the recievers on the aging rifles.

Thats interesting, I have allway thought that the 180s had more knockdown power and that they were better for deer. I guess they both work, aint no tellin how many deer been killed with either one. thanks i may try some 150s now.

 

[HOSS]

I like the 150's over the 180's myself. Seem to open up and expand better on deer sized game. The 180's I have shot deer with work fine but don't seem to expand on the lighter bone structure (at least on our smaller southern deer). My Garand is designed to shoot the 150's so I always buy or reload so that I can shoot them out of my Garand if I want. The heavier bullets and harder recoil is hard on the action and have been known to start cracks in the recievers on the aging rifles.

Thats interesting, I have allway thought that the 180s had more knockdown power and that they were better for deer. I guess they both work, aint no tellin how many deer been killed with either one. thanks i may try some 150s now.

The heavier weight adds to the penetrating ability. Since the bullet is more robust it tends to mushroom less than a lighter bullet travelling at a higher velocity. The 180's and 220's are more suited to bigger boned, heavier game. I use the 150's and 165's on deer, black bear etc. That is one of the cool things about the 06 is there is a bullet selection for any game animal in North America and the light accelerator bullets for varmints. My experience shows that the 150's produce more "knock down" than the 180's on deer sized game since the bullet expansion of the lighter pill is more severe and more of the energy is expended in the animal vs. zipping right on through. Your mileage may vary though :lol2:

 

[Caustic Burno]

Hoss this back to the old K/E arguement. You and I both use two stick's and a string, I have one with about 60 lb's of K/E and it will kill Black Flag Dead. As with the bow the lower the K/E is the better the shot placement has to be.
Bigger does not translate into K/E as much as speed. Speed has a much greater multiplier versus weight here so I can see where the 150 grain would be more effective in transfer.

 

[dun]

Hoss this back to the old K/E arguement. You and I both use two stick's and a string, I have one with about 60 lb's of K/E and it will kill Black Flag Dead. As with the bow the lower the K/E is the better the shot placement has to be.
Bigger does not translate into K/E as much as speed. Speed has a much greater multiplier versus weight here so I can see where the 150 grain would be more effective in transfer.

A lot of it has to do with the bullet construction. Back when all there was available was the traditional cup and core bullets, 180s had a much thicker jacket and didn;t expand as quickly as the 150s. Deer on down was considred the 150s range, 180s were for heavier game, black bear and elk, 220s were for big bears and moose. Under 150 were considered varmint bullets. The weight for each species varied by caliber and in some cases individual rounds, i.e 308 bullets were different then 06 bullets which were different from the 300 mag bullets. The same held true for even 22s. Shooting 22 hornet bullets in a swft was a real laugher cause they would come apart about 20 feet in front of the muzzle. It used to be that the heavier the game you went with heavier bullets for the caliber. Now with the super premium stuff it's just the opposite, you use a lighter for caliber bullet.

 

[3waycross]

I like the 150's over the 180's myself. Seem to open up and expand better on deer sized game. The 180's I have shot deer with work fine but don't seem to expand on the lighter bone structure (at least on our smaller southern deer). My Garand is designed to shoot the 150's so I always buy or reload so that I can shoot them out of my Garand if I want. The heavier bullets and harder recoil is hard on the action and have been known to start cracks in the recievers on the aging rifles.

Especially with those folks who like to use a Lead-Sled. They are rifle and SCOPE killers. All that energy has to go somehwere ya know!

I also have gone to 150's for my 30.06. For my 300WWSM and my son's 300 Winmag i use 165's and both are Nosler Accubonds. I really like the BC on them

 

[Dave]

I always use 180's in my '06 just because the gun likes them so well. I use the same powder load just change bullets. I use a light walled Sierra bullet for deer and Nosler partitioned for elk. When I went to using a 300 win mag for elk I went to 200 grain bullets. Our Roosevelt elk are bigger bodied than a Rocky Mountain elk and I want an exit hole. Exit holes bleed better and makes tracking easier. At first I used Swift A-frames in the 300 but they where about one step down for a full metal jacket. The hold together and sure penitrate but they don't expend enough to suit me. So I went 200 grain Nosler partitioned bullets in the 300.

 

[3waycross]

I always use 180's in my '06 just because the gun likes them so well. I use the same powder load just change bullets. I use a light walled Sierra bullet for deer and Nosler partitioned for elk. When I went to using a 300 win mag for elk I went to 200 grain bullets. Our Roosevelt elk are bigger bodied than a Rocky Mountain elk and I want an exit hole. Exit holes bleed better and makes tracking easier. At first I used Swift A-frames in the 300 but they where about one step down for a full metal jacket. The hold together and sure penitrate but they don't expend enough to suit me. So I went 200 grain Nosler partitioned bullets in the 300.

and i quit using partitions cuz they didn't penetrate for squat on Elk for me! 140grain partition in a 270WSm well over 3000fps at 200yds both right thru the lungs and never even made it to the hide on the far side they were an inch and a half apart lodged between the ribs and the rib meat!. The accubonds penetrate better for me! BTW i definately agree on your exit hole theory one single hole can close up and actually slow down exanguination.

I like light for caliber bullets with a high BC the accubond does that for me and the kinetic energy is higher than with a heavy for caliber bullet. I have found that they also perform better in the wind up to about 400yds cuz there get there quick and the wind does not have a lot of time to act upon the bullet!

just my 2 cents nothing more or less

 

[dun]

I always use 180's in my '06 just because the gun likes them so well. I use the same powder load just change bullets. I use a light walled Sierra bullet for deer and Nosler partitioned for elk. When I went to using a 300 win mag for elk I went to 200 grain bullets. Our Roosevelt elk are bigger bodied than a Rocky Mountain elk and I want an exit hole. Exit holes bleed better and makes tracking easier. At first I used Swift A-frames in the 300 but they where about one step down for a full metal jacket. The hold together and sure penitrate but they don't expend enough to suit me. So I went 200 grain Nosler partitioned bullets in the 300.

and i quit using partitions cuz they didn't penetrate for squat on Elk for me! 140grain partition in a 270WSm well over 3000fps at 200yds both right thru the lungs and never even made it to the hide on the far side they were an inch and a half apart lodged between the ribs and the rib meat!. The accubonds penetrate better for me! BTW i definately agree on your exit hole theory one single hole can close up and actually slow down exanguination.

I like light for caliber bullets with a high BC the accubond does that for me and the kinetic energy is higher than with a heavy for caliber bullet. I have found that they also perform better in the wind up to about 400yds cuz there get there quick and the wind does not have a lot of time to act upon the bullet!

just my 2 cents nothing more or less

I could never get accuracy worth a pinch of sour s--- from partitions. Back when they were new I used a lot of Grandslams in the Contender and really liked them.